Lieutenant
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# 161
01-31-2013, 02:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by solomace View Post
Lol, I love how when a "defender" of the game whines, it's not whining, but when someone is not happy and posts about it, it is.

Granted some posts go other the top (done a few myself), however to say that people who don't like various aspects of the game and post why are whiners, well it joins the list of things the defenders always bring out in their posts.

1. It's free, so don't have any right to diss the game.
2. It's a small team.
3. You don't have to pay a penny to play.
4. At least the Devs talk to us.
5. All games have grind.
6. I'm sick of people whining.

What's worse about your particular "whine" is that it was ranty too.

Check out the various definitions of whine. The one I like best is - To complain or protest in a childish fashion, but their are various ones and I think most people who post whine in some shape or fashion or have done.

I'm not sure what is more laughable, you rushing onto the forums to defend Cryptic or that you cannot see that your original post was a whine... See what I did there m8...
Actualy i'm not your 'm8', i dont even know you so that is impossible.

1. Ofcourse you can diss the game as much as you want, and so far that has brought you what?
2. What team? Dev team?
3. You dont.
4 They do, they probably do that at other MMO's also.
5. Yup.
6. Nope, i'm not, just dont understand how ungrateful people can be, especially when something is for free.

Yes that is what "whine" usually means, nice of you that you needed to look it up.
I could have said that "you" i'm using that word losely here, are spoilt pampered brats and ungrateful ones on that.
What is laughable is that you take fact as a whine and then whine about it.

So, how much do you get for free in your life?
You computer?
House/Apartment?
Car?
MS Windows?
Food every day?

Well if "you" are a kid, the obvious answer is yes for most of the Q's there.
And if you do get something, your mom and dad has probably taught you how to say "thank you" for what you get...
And, you are a grown up, you should still remember it.

And no, i am not running in here and trying to protect Cryptic.
They dont need me for that, their system of use is alot better, they just ignore the whiners.

I like the game, i know it is not perfect (find an mmo that is), but i like it and i play it.
I also use the forums to read the news, tips and tricks and to get some helpful hints on game play.
Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 276
# 162
01-31-2013, 02:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thowas View Post
/Rant not whine stuff.
I like you m8

You give courage to your convictions, i'll give you that, but you have now started to sound a bit "preachy".

Still no idea why you feel the need to post about people "whining". It seems to be effecting you in a big way, with all the long "not whiney" posts you are doing, but I sill don't see the harm it's doing if people are posting their dislike.

My response to you at first was about you "complaining" about people "complaining" and I just found it ironic.

You seem to be sticking to the fact that you are not whining, but every post you do, sounds like a whine and a rant, with a little bit of holier than thou chucked in on the side.

If your happy with the game, great. Come on and post how much you love it and how great Cryptic is, but remember, forum dwellers will come on and pick holes or disagree. The point is not tell do what you have done and call their posts whines.

Anyway, bed now. I will respond to your "not whine" response tomorrow.

...
From the man himself - "And as far as Season 7 being "grindy" - welcome to the MMORPG genre"

Look into my eyes, look into my eyes, the eyes, the eyes, not around the eyes, don't look around my eyes, look into my eyes, you're under..."Grind is good".

Last edited by solomace; 01-31-2013 at 02:41 PM.
Lieutenant
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# 163
02-01-2013, 05:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by solomace View Post
I like you m8

You give courage to your convictions, i'll give you that, but you have now started to sound a bit "preachy".

Still no idea why you feel the need to post about people "whining". It seems to be effecting you in a big way, with all the long "not whiney" posts you are doing, but I sill don't see the harm it's doing if people are posting their dislike.

My response to you at first was about you "complaining" about people "complaining" and I just found it ironic.

You seem to be sticking to the fact that you are not whining, but every post you do, sounds like a whine and a rant, with a little bit of holier than thou chucked in on the side.

If your happy with the game, great. Come on and post how much you love it and how great Cryptic is, but remember, forum dwellers will come on and pick holes or disagree. The point is not tell do what you have done and call their posts whines.

Anyway, bed now. I will respond to your "not whine" response tomorrow.

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Preachy?
Not the least, i am just sure in my conviction that 'you' should not be ungrateful for things you get.
I was not complaining at all.

More or less i was trying to convince people that "whining" / "complaining" constantly wont help, and as this game is free to play, i see it as being ungrateful in comparison of what they already is getting.
It's like taking the kids with you shopping.
They see something they want, you say no, not this time, and they continue to want it, and as kids, they whine when they dont get what they want.
So in this, you would say that the parent is just as whiney as the kids?

And this is what i see in many of the posts.
People acting like children because they are not getting what they want.
"Fix that" Give us this" "if not i' wont play anymore" "Craptic" "You broke something again!"


And this, i dont know where you found this
Originally Posted by thowas View Post
/Rant not whine stuff.
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# 164
02-01-2013, 06:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thowas View Post
More or less i was trying to convince people that "whining" / "complaining" constantly wont help, and as this game is free to play, i see it as being ungrateful in comparison of what they already is getting.
Not everyone is playing for free you know, and some of us sank a lot of money into the game from day one (and continue to do so). Where customers are concerned, being 'grateful' is a two way street.

That being said, the game is much, much better than a year or two ago.
Lieutenant
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# 165
02-01-2013, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by darkzenithuk View Post
Not everyone is playing for free you know, and some of us sank a lot of money into the game from day one (and continue to do so). Where customers are concerned, being 'grateful' is a two way street.

That being said, the game is much, much better than a year or two ago.
Lifetime?
Monthly?

If so, you buy the "extras" not the game itself.
I my self bought a gold edition of the game, i did that, fully knowing the game was free, but i got a t-shirt a map and some postcards, in-game i got the red-matter and some costumes.
Also, two months subscription.

Still, the game is free, and you pay for the extras you get when you subscribe to any of the packages.

If there were problems with the "extras" you get, you have cause for complaining.
It's good that people actually choose to contribute to the game, or it would have gotten stuck somewhere when it comes to updates and new content.

:-)
Commander
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# 166
02-01-2013, 09:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thowas View Post

I was not complaining at all.
Yes you were. You were complaining about people complaining.

Quote:
Originally Posted by thowas View Post

More or less i was trying to convince people that "whining" / "complaining" constantly wont help, and as this game is free to play, i see it as being ungrateful in comparison of what they already is getting.
As someone mentioned, you're assuming that it's only people who don't put any money in that complain/"Whine".

For all the people who are lifetime members and gold status, those who buy zen, the game is not free and I think you will find they "whine" and complain just as much.

And before you say lifers don't pay, they paid up front so it's not free for them.

Are you saying they don't have a right to complain or whine even if it isn't constructive?

They have a lot more right then most people do who don't put a penny into the game.


Quote:
Originally Posted by thowas View Post

It's like taking the kids with you shopping.
They see something they want, you say no, not this time, and they continue to want it, and as kids, they whine when they dont get what they want.
So in this, you would say that the parent is just as whiney as the kids?
Not sure if you have been to the forums before you started posting, but not every complaint is a whine, so to liken people complaining to kids wanting everything, well I think you either extremely naive, or you have a very binary look at things in life.

Quote:
Originally Posted by thowas View Post

And this is what i see in many of the posts.
People acting like children because they are not getting what they want.
"Fix that" Give us this" "if not i' wont play anymore" "Craptic" "You broke something again!"
And yet, as you say, the "facts" are this game does have many bugs, some from when the game started. Have you seen the bugs already with the new content? Have you seen the many posts talking about the lag and bugs? Should people just except it and be thankful.

Before season 7 started and the EP either blatantly lied, or mislead or was given wrong information about STFs, people took to the forums to complain about it when it actually went live, to the point that the EP had to backtrack and dil was added back in. Some of these people that complained, where defenders of the game who were not happy. Are you saying they shouldn't have, considering it was the weight of not only these forums, but forums all over that were slating STO and especially about all the Dil being taking away,that got Cryptic to change and re-add?

Look, were not going to agree.

You say you didn't complain or whine, yet I believe you did.

I believe everyone, including non payers, can whine and complain till there hearts content. You can either ignore the posts like a lot do, or you can post and put in how wrong they are and that from your point of view, they should be thankful for what they get, but expect people like myself to challenge your opinion...
From the man himself - "And as far as Season 7 being "grindy" - welcome to the MMORPG genre"

Look into my eyes, look into my eyes, the eyes, the eyes, not around the eyes, don't look around my eyes, look into my eyes, you're under..."Grind is good".

Last edited by solomace; 02-01-2013 at 09:50 AM.
Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 276
# 167
02-01-2013, 09:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thowas View Post
/stuff
I have to ask, what is it now you are hoping to achieve with your posts and responding to mine?

I thought you were not here to defend Cryptic, but your posts sound like it's exactly what you are doing and you certainly don't need to defend yourself to the likes of me

You said your original piece and now you are spending time trying to defend it.

You do know that your posts as well as mine are contributing 0 to STO?

As to why I post here and why I respond, well I have been here since before day 1 and I have my reasons.

If you can be bothered, look up my posts and you will see a general theme, however I wouldn't bother.

You on the other hand, a new poster, well I do have to ask as I mentioned above, why are you still responding?

Unless, as I suspect, you are enjoying the sparing Trust me, these forums have always been better than STO.

Go enjoy the game.
From the man himself - "And as far as Season 7 being "grindy" - welcome to the MMORPG genre"

Look into my eyes, look into my eyes, the eyes, the eyes, not around the eyes, don't look around my eyes, look into my eyes, you're under..."Grind is good".
Lt. Commander
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# 168
02-01-2013, 10:46 AM
...and now..."RABBLE RABBLE"...thank you.
Ensign
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# 169
02-01-2013, 12:12 PM
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Commander
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# 170
02-01-2013, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by caprifury View Post
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Welcome to the forums. Nice thoughtful post.

I like new posters, who don't hold back and say what they think...
From the man himself - "And as far as Season 7 being "grindy" - welcome to the MMORPG genre"

Look into my eyes, look into my eyes, the eyes, the eyes, not around the eyes, don't look around my eyes, look into my eyes, you're under..."Grind is good".
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