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# 21
01-30-2013, 12:52 PM
even stupid FREE Breen ship got 10 consoles ... pls give it 10th console
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# 22
01-30-2013, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ripp62 View Post
even stupid FREE Breen ship got 10 consoles ... pls give it 10th console
Exactly! people are fine with this.... fine.... just... fine.
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# 23
01-30-2013, 01:47 PM
It does really need 10 consoles since the unique abilities already take up one slot, leaving you with 8. Otherwise the ship is fun.
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# 24
01-30-2013, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by lasonio View Post
IT's not a gift! You're paying for it!. That's like your parents getting you a car that you have to pay the car note, the insurance, and for it to be fixed, that's not a gift it's a burden! My gift is garbage? FOr yme giving you 300 dollars your thank you is less powerful then a level 40 ship? Keep that and give me a free Jem-hadar!
Completely off-base!

Your analogy is total BS. It's not your parents buying you a sports car, it's you buying a house that happens to have estate taxes and the mortgage fully paid for, that just so happens to have an cool kitchen. And then suddenly you complain that BAWWWW, the kitchen isn't better than a high-class restaurant's?! RIPOFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!111.

It's the very definition of "missing the forest for the trees".

First off, the idea is you buy a lifetime sub FOR THE SUB, for eternal Gold Status and all the perks that come with it, including a free VA ship token, the extra inventory, the cash cap, and all the other stuff I can't remember. That AND the ship. If that's not worth it to you, then that's your ******n problem.

TL;DR = IT'S NOT A $200 SHIP, IT'S A $200 SUBSCRIPTION

If you paid for a lifetime sub SOLELY for the Chimera, then OBVIOUSLY you got effing ripped off! "Misguided" is an understatement!

And YES, while I'd love for my Chimmy to get a 10th console and be the end-all be-all of amazing uber-superships that none can beat ever ever ever, I know that's not going to happen, because it would Dominate PVP, PVE, and everything else except the. No one would ever leave their Chimeras, and it would be UNFAIR. Lifetimers would get an indelible, nearly unbeatable advantage, and the result is NO FUN for free players.

The hypocrisy in this sentiment is palpable. We whine and ***** about HURRR PWE = P2W and tell them to balance the game, but then whine and ***** when we aren't OP because WE PAID TEH BUXXX.

Pick a path, jerks.

PS. Yes, I want the Chimmy to be buffed to match Fleet and Lockbox ships. BUT, if they don't do it, I'm fine with that, too.

Last edited by unangbangkay; 01-30-2013 at 09:18 PM.
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# 25
01-30-2013, 09:48 PM
So, please devs take a look at this and give it a serious consideration.

Adding a 10th console slot will not make this ship OP and it will not dominate in PVP, PVE, etc. There are currently 3 other ships will still be more powerful/as powerful to the Chimera when it gets its 10th console.

As a comparison:

Fleet Defiant: 33K Hull, 0.9 Shield Mod, 17 Turn Rate, 10 Consoles (5 Tac)
Mobius Destroyer: 33K Hull, 1.05 Shield Mod, 15 Turn Rate, 10 Consoles
Jem Bug: 34.5K Hull, 1 Shield Mod, 20 Turn Rate, 10 Consoles (5Tac)

Chimera: 34.5K Hull, 0.9 Shield Mod, 14 Turn Rate, 9 Consoles

So clearly, its reasonable to ask for an additional console for the Chimera. It doesn't have to be TAC console, another SCI/ENG console would be great.

Or make the console an ability of the ship and remove it as a console. It should apply for Ablative Generator too, since no other ships can use it, why make it a console? (But thats another discussion for another thread).
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# 26
01-30-2013, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by avarseir View Post

Or make the console an ability of the ship and remove it as a console. It should apply for Ablative Generator too, since no other ships can use it, why make it a console? (But thats another discussion for another thread).
Sadly, that's not gonna happen. Cryptic's clearly not into native abilities anymore, and I suspect the reason is that a universal console sells better than a native ability. Why? People will have 1 MORE reason to buy a ship they might not stick with if the console is good enough.

Of course this doesn't apply to the ship-restricted consoles (like Chimmy etc.), but still.

We have better chances for all ships gaining a "special" console slot than we are of abilities being made native.
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# 27
01-30-2013, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by unangbangkay View Post
Sadly, that's not gonna happen. Cryptic's clearly not into native abilities anymore, and I suspect the reason is that a universal console sells better than a native ability. Why? People will have 1 MORE reason to buy a ship they might not stick with if the console is good enough.

Of course this doesn't apply to the ship-restricted consoles (like Chimmy etc.), but still.

We have better chances for all ships gaining a "special" console slot than we are of abilities being made native.
That would be true for non-ship restricted consoles, like you said it: it doesn't apply for ship restricted consoles like the Ablative Generator or the Dynamic Tactical System.

I am giving Cryptic a few options to play around: Remove the console and make it a ship ability OR add a 10th console slot for the destroyers.

I doubt any self-respecting captain would remove the dynamic tactical system console from their destroyers. So right now, the ship effectively has only 8 consoles slots
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# 28
01-31-2013, 03:23 AM
And apparently the best ship that Star fleet command can design is still worst then the best ship that Dominion designed hundreds of years ago. How can ships from a war hundreds of years ago that both klinks and feds have access to still be sub-par to it. That i don't understand. Why is all the ships that are supposed to be the pinnacle of Star Fleet science worse then older ships of the same class? The Chimera, The Oddy, the Galaxy, and I'm willing to bet the Ambass will join the all terrible highly advanced class. We must be the dumbest federation in the universe to actually make an advancement worst then old technology. I can see the scientist now, a few years ago they make warp core then this year they design the first light bulb.... Eureka! The further we go the further we seem to step back. No wonder smart people go into the past, that's where all the intellect is.

Are we really that far behind the Gamma Quadrant? That even with their ships we can't make something better then it or atleast equal to it? What the heck will we do the moment they decide "Victory is life" again?

I still don't understand how people can justify waiting 1000 days to get this thing or paying 300 dollars for a subscription when all they items are sub-par at best. I already own 3/4s of all that stuff as is and i only spent 150 dollars and mainly it was on keys

And I have no idea what unangbangkay is talking about apparently he's never fought a Jem'hadar Attack ship in one on one pvp or used an escort or cruiser against any sci ship in one vs one and they have innately built into them the ability to target subsystems, wtf. So why doesn't the chimera have it's abilities innate to it when nothing else can use them, NOTHING! So this ship should be better, its very existence demands it. the wording in it's description demands it. It's either the scientist are Undine infiltrators, or they think we're stupid, or they're soooooo smart that they have reverted to stupid. It's one of those and i can't decide which one it is. I thought it was them because they designed it and now that we're accepting it I think that we are. Who locks down an entire planet to design something a level 40 free ship can beat? Jesus, Mary, and Joesph they have to be red in the face somewhere about this or atleast us as captains should be aware of this.

There's all ready op pvp ships out there and what the hell is this about balance, ships shouldn't be equal ever or whats the point in making and designing ships if you get the same flavor from everything? You're supposed to step up with your next ship not step next to. How sad the world would be if a roman rowing ship could take on a state of the art high tech 21st century battleship because it would be considered fair. Life's not fair. Deal with it and move on. I'm not buying a Ferrari because I want a car to get me from point A to point B I'm buying a Ferrari because I want people to know I have a Ferrari! IT does the same as a Kia Sport but it get's different results. That's like buying frosted flakes and honey nut cheerios and expecting to have them taste the same. That's just stupid.

Why can't there be more and specially if you are telling Cryptic I support you and to top it off they just released this ship in October as a thank you to captains for getting a lifer or subscribing for 3 years and you're saying your thank you should be Meh at best. If the Chimera is not up to snuff then you should have simply given us a ship that was or given us a token to chose from any of the ships that were on that side and not factionalized so atleast we could make our decision on what we want and everyone would want the JHAS I am willing to bet money on it. The JHAS is the Pinnacle of ship design and the best will always always always want the best.

Last edited by lasonio; 01-31-2013 at 03:43 AM.
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# 29
01-31-2013, 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by lasonio View Post
We must be the dumbest federation in the universe to actually make an advancement worst then old technology.
As I've learned to accept, STO's rationale for this is that O'Brien and Geordi's modular ship-building system effectively makes ANY hull compatible with most if not all of Starfleet's greatest tech. Effectively, the age or appearance of the hull no longer matters.

I don't necessarily like it, but that's that. Dealwithit.jpg

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I still don't understand how people can justify waiting 1000 days to get this thing or paying 300 dollars for a subscription when all they items are sub-par at best. I already own 3/4s of all that stuff as is and i only spent 150 dollars and mainly it was on keys
The problem with your attitude is that you "waited 1000 days" for this thing. Or "paid 300 dollars" for this thing.

DO YOU NOT CARE ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE A SUBSCRIPTION OFFERS YOU?!!?!? [/font]

Probably not. And that's YOUR damn problem. The Chimera was NEVER, EVER EVER EVER the point of a lifetime subscription. It was a REWARD, for 1000 days of support (or in my case, that initial show of faith when I bought the LTS pre-release). NO ONE should have expected it to be the ULTIMATE REWARD BEST THING EVER.

Everyone who bought a lifetime subscription to get it, or anyone who refuses to recognize the value of whatever else a lifetime subscription buys them, is simply being narrow-minded.

Could it be better? Yes. Should it be better? Maybe. Do I want it to be better? Probably, yeah. I certainly wouldn't mind.

Is Cryptic obligated to MAKE it better? NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT.

/thread
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# 30
01-31-2013, 05:00 AM
the point is what you are missing, clearly I stated if I OWN 3/4th OF ALL THAT STUFF FOR LESS THEN 150 why would I want the 1/4th for another 150?

So for your support you get nothing and you're fine with that? That's like working at a factory all your life and getting a watch when you retire and nothing else.

This arguement is going no where. They have the tools to make it better, they can make it better. Just typing in some code and you get my attention. It's not Free so I'm not begging choosing, i'm telling them clearly what I will pay for and what I will not pay for. I am paying you 1/3rd of my weekly check, that's 300 dollars. 300.00 dollars of my hard earned money from one of my checks that could have went anywhere and done anything. I could have put it in the bank, paid a car note, car insurance, life, insurance, Groceries, any of these things but no i decided I will use my money to pay into a game that tomorrow could simply be gone. This is so asinine that it's beginning to irk me. You are literally saying that it's okay and that it should be acceptable that when I was f2p and could not afford to buy anything that that ship, my patrol escort should be just as good if not equal to a ship I am willing to now that i have a dam good job pay top dollar for? Then whats the point? Why would I pay a cent for something that is not better then what I got for free? This is no different then buying a playstation 3 and it being the same as an atari, wtf. It's an escort! It's not even noted as a Hybrid anymore! The Breen ship, the BREEN Ship is better then it and I got that for figure-skating, wtf. Seriously, my most prized ship is not better then any of my free ships? Granted you get that ship for free as well if you were a lifer before October. But who the heck knew it was coming? I already own almost all that stuff so I am LITERALLY PAYING 300 dollars FOR ONLY THE SHIP! And if you read the description of this ship, why is it WORST THEN THE SHIS WE ALREADY HAVE? Increase the hull a bit above the Bug, increase the turn 1-2, ad another console and make the console innate and you have what it should be, that's not op it's just what the ship SHOULD be. IT should be just a little better a little better isn't uber it's just a little better.

I'm not even sure why I am debating with you, you're a balancer, there is no Balance in war, one side will always be better, no matter what. IT's like you are simply white washing everything else just to prove a point that literally does not make sense in the slightest. It's like you're agreeing with me but you're disagreeing with one part of a whole argument that makes it make sense. I just want to hear from other Veterans who purchased the life sub and have conflicts with this. Unless you have that veteran Monicker I don't want to hear about it. I'm tired of hearing people mothballed my most coveted ship because it's useless. IT has the perfect boff set up and that's it.

know what just to squash it and move on, I'll stick with my Mirror Patrol escort and let that be that, grind some di and purchase a bug, I will no longer spend another cent on this game. Your logic is "That what I pay for should not be better then what I can get for free." And that's not what I pay for. I pay to be better then when I was free. I give up my money to leave behind all the hardships of being free and this is literally telling me my money means nothing to this game and to this company. So I will keep pocketing my money and putting it in the bank and put it in a game that it does mean something to.

I don't pay to be the same as I was yesterday, I pay to be better tomorrow then I am today and if I was dam good when I was free I better be dam well better then that for my buck or you'll never get it from me. So Cryptic, you know your overlord wants them dollars so you better up your game and keep me 'A fool that has nothing better to do with his money then toss 1-2k a month on a stupid game' happy or you lose that.

It might not be a lot to you to lose one person willing to give you 25k a year but how many people do you think read these forums? By my count a couple thousand, multiply this statement by a couple thousand and you have yourself a problem.

Last edited by lasonio; 01-31-2013 at 05:13 AM.
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