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We don't really know this for certain, but I think if I was a changeling, I wouldn't link, and here's why.

Take two changelings that have never linked before, if they link, then when they unlink, is what went in exactly what comes out? Or is what comes out a mixture of both changelings.

The female changeling said if she returned to the link, the drop becomes the ocean, then if back again, the ocean becomes a drop. So, could two changelings link, and form a solid shape together, with twice the mass, say a humanoid twice as big

For us, our brains create our consciousness, I don't think anyone would want to mix their brain with someone else's, basically, you'd die, the new person would be an entirely different, just like transporting someone would also kill them, the new person is really a clone with all the memories, personality and knowledge of you, but a totally new person.
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# 2
01-28-2013, 01:13 AM
You're over thinking this just a tad. Think of it similar to the borg collective: It's thousands of consciousnesses all connected to each other. The link works in a similar way. When a changeling joins the link, all of its memories are added to the link, and each individual changeling can experience them. When a changeling leaves the link, it takes all the memories of the other changelings with it while retaining it's own.
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# 3
01-28-2013, 05:30 AM
I wouldn't want to link simply because there are some things I want to keep to myself. And I don't really want to know about the things that the others want to keep to themselves.

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# 4
01-28-2013, 06:24 AM
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For us, our brains create our consciousness, I don't think anyone would want to mix their brain with someone else's, basically, you'd die, the new person would be an entirely different, just like transporting someone would also kill them, the new person is really a clone with all the memories, personality and knowledge of you, but a totally new person.
Every 7-8 years every cell in your body is replaced, does this also make you a different person.
If not then a transporter is no different.

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# 5
01-28-2013, 06:36 AM
I agree with the over thinking part but if you want a scientific explanation each changeling probably has a slightly different DNA that allows them to separate back into their original forms. like taking different coloured lego apart. you just know which part is yours.

If this was not the case then it would be hard to know what amount you should take back on separating so to me there must be some level of genetic difference.

their entire body probably works as their brain in some way. if the was any kind of mixing then i think that would have been explored in the show. they clearly maintain their own personality when separating, just the influence of the linking remains.

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# 6
01-28-2013, 08:10 AM
I think the problem is that you're looking at it from the perspective of being 'a fixed individual'. Maybe changelings simply don't care what 'organic matter' they separate into, as it is their consciousness which makes them them, and equally, Odo not withstanding, they are not supposed to be an individual shapeshifter, but a mass consciousness organism, like Solaris.

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# 7
01-28-2013, 09:14 AM
It is anybody's guess how the Link funcions. My guess: If it's a single consciousness, that just partitions parts of itself off and sends those out to do its bidding, odds are you as a changeling cease to exist the moment you're part of it. Of course, then when the link consciousness deems that something must be done, and the form and personality of the one you used to be would be most ideally suited to carry out this task, then, since you are part of the link, you now before even existing again as an independent mind are in essence volunteering to leave the link and so you just sort of wade out of there thinking it was your own idea.

While you're separate, you're separate. While you're there, you're It. That might explain quite well why Odo didn't return from the Gamma quadrant after just a quick visit. He'd understand that, with the link, once all your bits and pieces leave, it just kind of reverts to the state it was in before you showed up and introduced this idea that not all solids are evil. It doesn't itself experience or learn. It'd have to send out some other blobs to go and have similar experiences to the ones Odo had, and reabsorb them, before there'd be enough redundancy in the link for Odo, or what's left of him, to take a vacation.

There's something to be said for memory sharing, I guess, but I say the more alien, the better.

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...just like transporting someone would also kill them, the new person is really a clone with all the memories, personality and knowledge of you, but a totally new person.
That would be true IF, A, the transporter works much like a replicator, AND, B, it deconstructs and then reconstitutes you all in one go. While transporters and replicators appear very similar, replicators cannot create anything living, so there is a difference somewhere in there. Though what exactly it is I can't say. As for B, a transporter could get around the whole killing you problem by deconstructing and reconstituting you in increments, removing a few molecules, materializing them at your destination (or in the pattern buffer in between) and maintaining an artificial connection between the molecules at your destination, and the molecules still at your departure point, so that if you wave your hand mid-transport, the molecules already sent will mimic the movement on the other end. This is what I imagine the confinement beam does. Keeps everything in its proper place so you don't destroy yourself with the tiniest movement (inflating and deflating lungs, a beating heart, travelling blood cells would all merge into each other if it didn't) or just by beaming into a mild breeze, and has the convenient side-effect of your entire nervous system not responding like you're on fire while all this is happening, as as far as it's concerned, you're still 100% intact.

Since at no point you'd actually cease to exist this way, for a split second, you'd be in two places at once (well, 50/50, anyway), and also not dead, which is widely regarded to be a positive thing. But wait, there's more! If you beam down in three billion easily-contained one nanosecond portions now, you'll also avoid the problem outlined in the old "Science of Trek" book, where your entire body is instantly converted into an impossible to contain amount of energy and rips the transporter operator, transporter room and all the rest of the Enterprise a few hundred new ones.

But yeah...

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# 8
01-29-2013, 02:29 PM
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You're over thinking this just a tad. Think of it similar to the borg collective: It's thousands of consciousnesses all connected to each other. The link works in a similar way. When a changeling joins the link, all of its memories are added to the link, and each individual changeling can experience them. When a changeling leaves the link, it takes all the memories of the other changelings with it while retaining it's own.
But the borg collective does NOT involve mixing each other bodies together, just their thoughts via implants, it's not the same thing.
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# 9
01-29-2013, 02:35 PM
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You're over thinking this just a tad. Think of it similar to the borg collective: It's thousands of consciousnesses all connected to each other. The link works in a similar way. When a changeling joins the link, all of its memories are added to the link, and each individual changeling can experience them. When a changeling leaves the link, it takes all the memories of the other changelings with it while retaining it's own.
Does it really? What about the hundred changelings who were sent out by the founders, Odo and Laas at first had no knowledge that they could even shapeshift.
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# 10
01-29-2013, 02:39 PM
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replicators cannot create anything living
Not the ones the Federation has, but the aliens in the "Allegiance" TNG episode had ones that could, they stated that's how they created the Picard Imposter.
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