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# 31
01-31-2013, 07:36 AM
I prefer not to argue like you har to in he federation shipyards I like coming here but please don't say the escorts are the only ship capable of laying solid dps down every ship is capable if the pilot knows how
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# 32
01-31-2013, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by mustafatennick View Post
Advanced bops have crfII and high yieldII and parsers show that on static targets which is what pve is full of, 4 bops and flagship firing beta off can out dps most escorts

You clearly haven't seen a vorcha set up properly kitted with demIII apa fomm tac fleet can guard kang single handed take down a full side of Kase and guard the probes with ease there the nifty little things called RCS accelerators mixed with conn doffs and omega will make one just as nimble as a patrol or advanced fedscort

Oh and ill take the way your jabbering on you did wondered in from star fleet
and ill take from your insults, that your just a kid with limited knowledge spouting out phoney stats to buff your arguement. Lets be honest, you will find very few people who would share your opinion that cruisers out dps escorts......smh. and yeh escorts run beta as well, so that point is moot. ill just let the tac cube decide whos hurting it more, and its always either me or another escort as primary target. oh and what do you get when you doff out and equip an escort the way you doff out and equip a cruiser trying to be an escort? yeh, thats right, a better escort

Last edited by beefsupreme79; 01-31-2013 at 07:44 AM.
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# 33
01-31-2013, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by mustafatennick View Post
I prefer not to argue like you har to in he federation shipyards I like coming here but please don't say the escorts are the only ship capable of laying solid dps down every ship is capable if the pilot knows how
all im saying is overall an equally outfitted escort will out dps an equally outfitted cruiser. simply because cruisers arent designed for dps. especially fed cruisers who 99% of which run beams due to turnrate issues. i guess u can throw dhcs on a bortasqu but when that sphere skips past u, u are useless for a minute or two. cruisers can heal.....nice, think iv had a pug heal me 2 or 3 times in all the stfs iv run. cruisers are tanks foremost, and honestly they need a way to maintain threat to do they re job.
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# 34
01-31-2013, 07:52 AM
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The Boffs are pretty similar to Vorcha. One less eng slot traded for one more Sci slot. Or were you hoping for Commander Tac? hehe.
Actually was hoping for the same layout as the Breen cruiser with a cloak. Since the vorcha is just as useless to me this new ship will serve as a storage locker for my bank kept mk12 gear (since it's free).

C'mon Devs, lemme have the Kamarag skin for my Breen cruiser !!!
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# 35
01-31-2013, 07:53 AM
Obviously someone has never done an Estf with a tank worth a spit in the wind. My engi's regularly take and hold the agro from the escorts, as they are supposed to do as tanks. My cruisers aren't in it for the dps, they are there to piss off any and all baddies so that the escorts can do their dps'ing carefree. Yes there have been occasions where an escort yanks the agro from me, but a BO2 quickly fixes that issue. DPS may be king, but a good tank is priceless.
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# 36
01-31-2013, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by cpc2011a View Post
Obviously someone has never done an Estf with a tank worth a spit in the wind. My engi's regularly take and hold the agro from the escorts, as they are supposed to do as tanks. My cruisers aren't in it for the dps, they are there to piss off any and all baddies so that the escorts can do their dps'ing carefree. Yes there have been occasions where an escort yanks the agro from me, but a BO2 quickly fixes that issue. DPS may be king, but a good tank is priceless.
im not trying to argue here, but aside from maybe aceton beam? all threat is dps based, so if you arent in it for the dps, how are you holding threat? not challenging you at all, i think theres many people who have no clue.

i mean beam overload is one shot, one round of crf would triple that dps

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# 37
01-31-2013, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by beefsupreme79 View Post
all im saying is overall an equally outfitted escort will out dps an equally outfitted cruiser. simply because cruisers arent designed for dps. especially fed cruisers who 99% of which run beams due to turnrate issues. i guess u can throw dhcs on a bortasqu but when that sphere skips past u, u are useless for a minute or two. cruisers can heal.....nice, think iv had a pug heal me 2 or 3 times in all the stfs iv run. cruisers are tanks foremost, and honestly they need a way to maintain threat to do they re job.
I see what you mean there, getting a hazard emitters from a pug even full of cruisers is like getting blood from a stone :/

Happy hunting

I see what the other person says too until the 10 console versions appears I fear not many will be used
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# 38
01-31-2013, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by mustafatennick View Post
I see what you mean there, getting a hazard emitters from a pug even full of cruisers is like getting blood from a stone :/

Happy hunting

I see what the other person says too until the 10 console versions appears I fear not many will be used
again i love cruisers and carriers, just seems in elite stfs dps is more important
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# 39
01-31-2013, 08:03 AM
Threat control? Also, some other skills generate above average threat. I very frequently draw aggro off otherwise decent escorts using a sci ship. Grav well and eject warp plasma make that happen, rather than my limited weapon damage (b/c only 3/3 weapon slots).

A decent cruiser will do even better, by speccing into threat control.

KDF cruisers can, added to that, pump out the pain much better than the average fed cruiser, so if those are flown by a captain with threat control, they should surely be able to draw aggro.
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# 40
01-31-2013, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by twam View Post
Threat control? Also, some other skills generate above average threat. I very frequently draw aggro off otherwise decent escorts using a sci ship. Grav well and eject warp plasma make that happen, rather than my limited weapon damage (b/c only 3/3 weapon slots).

A decent cruiser will do even better, by speccing into threat control.

KDF cruisers can, added to that, pump out the pain much better than the average fed cruiser, so if those are flown by a captain with threat control, they should surely be able to draw aggro.
ahh ic i was thinking only active boff skills, hadnt thought of the passives
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