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# 121
02-09-2013, 10:21 AM
There is merit in the "DPS is King" idea.

I was in an Infected Elite mission with 4 Cruisers and we couldn't make the Optional with all the weak DPS.

It didn't help that they stayed at range while I had to sweep in and out in my Escort/ Destroyer.

I now know what it feels like to SOLO the STF LOL.
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# 122
02-09-2013, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by thratch1 View Post
It's not really that escorts are OP, so much as Cruisers and Science Ships are underpowered.

The game is so combat-focused that if you aren't packing heat, you're simply at a disadvantage.
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# 123
02-09-2013, 12:16 PM
I see what your saying but just because you can access differant things from differant positions, each position is still 'Designed' for a role.

Perhaps Federation have more Uni-stations and the Klingons get a new seperate universal Console. This way it balances out and feels more like canon, because let's face it, Klingon design is slang for 'Retro-Fit' anyway
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# 124
02-09-2013, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by disposeableh3r0 View Post
Yes but weapons are a seperate issue.

I was refering to the oft used "FED cruisers are supposed to handle everything in canon." complaint.
Well, this is what I thought originally when I first got the game, that I was gonna grab the galaxy class the first chance I got and really be able to hold my own. When I discovered how outmatched I was in every way, I was extremely disappointed. Somehow, I was being beaten by ships half my size, and with fewer weapons. So I took a few years off, came back, did some reading, and decided to go with the assault crusier, and recently the refit. Still disapopointed with its performance, but it is better. And I'm getting better.
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# 125
02-09-2013, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by disposeableh3r0 View Post
Yes but weapons are a seperate issue.

I was refering to the oft used "FED cruisers are supposed to handle everything in canon." complaint.
Well, this is what I thought originally when I first got the game, that I was gonna grab the galaxy class the first chance I got and really be able to hold my own. When I discovered how outmatched I was in every way, I was extremely disappointed. Somehow, I was being beaten by ships half my size, and with fewer weapons. So I took a few years off, came back, did some reading, and decided to go with the assault crusier, and recently the refit. Still disapopointed with its performance, but it is better. And I'm getting better. But I agree, cruisers do need more umph. Hoping the fleet version will prove to be better.
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# 126
02-09-2013, 12:53 PM
When doing the Deferi Dailies, three crummy frigates are consistently more threatening than a Chael Grett cruiser.

Cue "working as intended" post below.
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# 127
02-09-2013, 01:03 PM
For a cheap and easy fix, lower beam array power drain and improve the space innates with the ability to cast on teammates and npcs.

More long term fixes include making PvE/P more tank and support friendly, and introducing a cruiser-exclusive weapon type.
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# 128
02-09-2013, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by disposeableh3r0 View Post
What if there were a cruiser class on the federation side that had an all universal boff arrangement similar to the BOP?
I agree. I find it too limiting as it is. I thought there was an error when I signed up with Klink side and saw the set up. The BOP also automatically comes with Battle Cloak. Anyways... wish the uni slots were across the board. Why not, after all? It would certainly make the game more interesting, at least, where PVP is concerned.
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# 129
02-09-2013, 04:13 PM
What would such a Cruiser lose as compensation for being an all Universal BOff ship?
The BoP lost both shields and hull for its advantages. Making a capable but squishy vessel.
So what would the Universal BOff Cruiser lose in Shields and Hull?
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# 130
02-09-2013, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by disposeableh3r0 View Post
What if there were a cruiser class on the federation side that had an all universal boff arrangement similar to the BOP?

To me it sounds like a good counter balance since a cruiser is on the opposide side of the spectrum from a raider. All the same powers with totaly different play mechanics.

I mean the fed cruiser was always a sort of go anywhere do anything ship, so why not have one?

Some proposed stats.


38k hull (40k fleet)
1.0 shield mod (1.1 fleet)
0.15 impulse
7 degree turn rate
800 crew
40 inertia

3/3/3 console setup (4/3/3) for a fleet version
4/4 weapons
3 device slots.
+5 to all sub systems.

Boff seating
Cmdr
LTC
LTC
LT


IF there were somthing like this the any captain could have their cruiser and kit it the way they want.

Maybe then some of them will be happy. Or realize thet their idea for a cruiser was wrong and end up with better builds.
What a lovely Mary Sue vessel you have there.

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Originally Posted by bitemepwe View Post
What would such a Cruiser lose as compensation for being an all Universal BOff ship?
The BoP lost both shields and hull for its advantages. Making a capable but squishy vessel.
So what would the Universal BOff Cruiser lose in Shields and Hull?
They don't seem to understand that concept.
All cloaks should be canon.
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