Career Officer
Join Date: Oct 2012
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# 1 Respec Profession
02-02-2013, 02:29 AM
With the introduction of the reputation system and with the likelihood of additional reputation systems, the tendency for some fleets to allow only one toon per player and many other barriers to entry for having multiple alts, the process of users creating and leveling players, from my experience has begun to diminish.

Maybe it's time to allow players not only to change traits, or even race, but to change profession as well?

Just like traits, it wasn't particularly clear for new players how a particular profession influences their capabilities in game. I know many players who have a particular play style that is ill suited to their chosen profession and trapped from truly specializing due to the frozen accumulation of assets, reputation points of fleet ships on their main.

The sad reality is cryptic could probably charge whatever they liked for the ability to change your character's profession, and people would do it regularly. Hell, I respec skills almost monthly and I'm not even a subscriber.

So maybe it's time we allowed those who didn't want multiple toons to undo the mistakes of day 1 and properly focus their character to match their play style?
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 2
02-02-2013, 05:16 AM
We're still waiting for them to man up and make it possible to re-trait your character. The revamps post-f2p broke and made many traits no longer do what they originally did. So we have most people's main characters from back then with useless and non-functioning traits.

a career respec would be nice... but I feel that they know it would be like shooting themselves in the foot when everyone and their grandma respeced to the only viable Tactical captain and their illusion of balance would not longer be maintained.
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# 3
02-02-2013, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by cmdrskyfaller View Post
We're still waiting for them to man up and make it possible to re-trait your character. The revamps post-f2p broke and made many traits no longer do what they originally did. So we have most people's main characters from back then with useless and non-functioning traits.

a career respec would be nice... but I feel that they know it would be like shooting themselves in the foot when everyone and their grandma respeced to the only viable Tactical captain and their illusion of balance would not longer be maintained.
I suppose that's a risk, but given that they are finally working on traits, even race, they might as well go whole hog and add the ability to respec profession too.
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# 4
02-02-2013, 03:35 PM
There are almost no MMO's out there that allow you to change your profession/class/whatever it might be called. So I doubt we would see any different from STO.

Alts are still possible, I'm sorry if people don't want to put a little effort into it...I've got plans or have already over a dozen characters.

I don't have the compulsive need for instant gratification plus I love variety...I will even be making more alts as ships come out and builds hit me...I know I'm looking forward to making a new character to fly the Andorian ship if it peeks my interests.

I admit my roster is tac heavy...but I don't fly all tacs...each class has there ups and downs...I would rather they move the game a bit farther away from DPS is king and give more use to the trinity.

With their plans to perhaps up the ranks in the future they can change things, I for one hope they do...but either way I will make alts...I just wish more races were added for more variety!
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# 5
02-02-2013, 05:26 PM
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There are almost no MMO's out there that allow you to change your profession/class/whatever it might be called. So I doubt we would see any different from STO.
Yes there are. One is still running and its from the 1990's.

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Alts are still possible, I'm sorry if people don't want to put a little effort into it...I've got plans or have already over a dozen characters.
Alts are no longer viable thanks to the fleet and reputation system timegates. No matter what you do an alt will not match you main character's post-max rank level (rep/fleet status) in any reasonable amount of time. I wouldnt roll an alt now even if they paid me to.
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# 6
02-02-2013, 05:32 PM
The last thing I want to see is a profession-swap service. I'm still holding out for a profession revamp that would not be simply be a defined set of traits at character creation but instead traits based on the choices you make during gameplay, be they science, tactical or engineering in nature. While each series Captain showed a leaning towards a certain profession, they were not pigeon-holed into only being science, tactical or engineering etc. Having dev time spent on creating a shortcut like this would almost certainly rule out such a meaningful revamp of what could become a defining feature of this game.
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# 7
02-02-2013, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by lianthelia View Post
There are almost no MMO's out there that allow you to change your profession/class/whatever it might be called. So I doubt we would see any different from STO.

So if other mmos dont have that this should never have because new things are bad .You should check a amish fleet

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The last thing I want to see is a profession-swap service. I'm still holding out for a profession revamp that would not be simply be a defined set of traits at character creation but instead traits based on the choices you make during gameplay, be they science, tactical or engineering in nature. While each series Captain showed a leaning towards a certain profession, they were not pigeon-holed into only being science, tactical or engineering etc. Having dev time spent on creating a shortcut like this would almost certainly rule out such a meaningful revamp of what could become a defining feature of this game.

So because you dont need that other should think the same.
Career Officer
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# 8
02-02-2013, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by adrianm63 View Post
So if other mmos dont have that this should never have because new things are bad .You should check a amish fleet


So because you dont need that other should think the same.
Isn't that how it usually is on these forums when someone posts and idea?

What I do not understand is how people will support being able to change species or traits when they want, but when it comes to professions, they say just go make an alt. Well right back at you. Just go make an alt if you are unhappy with your species or traits and if traits are broken, they should just fix or replace them. No real need to offer a trait respec that I can see. If you do not like it, go make an alt right.

The skill trees have changed and skills have changed. Some players may have accumulated items or rewards that are bound or unique to their main character. Making an alt would defeat the purpose they have behind their main character.

And unlike some people having multiple alts for me has in many ways taken the fun out of the game. Special missions start to get less special after doing it several times. The way some people I have talked to are with alts sounds more like they have an addiction than a fun past time. (I got that knew ship now I need to go do that same mission with my other 7+ characters.)
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# 9
02-02-2013, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by cmdrskyfaller View Post
Yes there are. One is still running and its from the 1990's.



Alts are no longer viable thanks to the fleet and reputation system timegates. No matter what you do an alt will not match you main character's post-max rank level (rep/fleet status) in any reasonable amount of time. I wouldnt roll an alt now even if they paid me to.
Aren't many...only one I ever played that you could is SWG and thats been dead for over a year. (longer if you count the NGE as its death.)

Alts are viable but people just don't want to put the time into it like I already said. God forbid you don't get to get everything right away if you make a new character.

Oh look my brand new 50 isn't as powerful as my dedicated 50...that is so evil and wrong! I actually have to put a little effort into it...just so wrong!

Then again I suppose your probably one of the people that loved doing a 100+ elite STFs to never see the prototype tech and think it was a better system than what we have now.
Ensign
Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 10
02-02-2013, 08:20 PM
My hopes are that with the planned revision of the character creation come May, they will be revising character traits as well. This might mean they will give us profession, gender, race etc tokens buy-able as well.
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