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Join Date: Jun 2012
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I'll try to keep this short, since I don't plan on participating in the resulting discussion. I also realize my comments here have probably already been made ad-nauseum, but I feel the need to post them anyway.

The latest iteration of nerfs against the foundry "grinders" has negatively impacted my gameplay for absolutely no benefit to yourselves. I have no interest in playing player stories for the same reason I do not participate in role-playing - your version of Star Trek is different from my version of Star Trek, and I have no desire to participate in your personal fantasies. I therefore played the foundry missions that gave me the quickest and easiest completion credit for the repeatable mission.

I need dilithium. Everyone needs dilithium. The IOR mission provided it in an easy format. What does it hurt for "grinders" to exist? See above where I said I don't want to participate in your version of Star Trek? That means I'll NEVER play the foundry story missions. I don't care how many weeks/months you spent crafting them, how many 5-star reviews they have, how much they're promoted and praised on the forums, nor whether it is a spotlight mission or not. I have no interest. Literally the only reason I played foundry missions was to get dilithium, a commodity that is increasingly difficult to obtain, despite dev claims to the contrary. Now I can't do that. Yes, "CAN'T", because long story missions with someone's Mary Sue characters are undesirable.

I'm not on a crusade against foundry stories, I just don't like them. To that end, I also don't go around 1-star reviewing the stories. I'm not in that camp. I am, however, now actively discouraging everyone who asks or comments from playing foundry missions. In my valued opinion (amongst my circle of friends), there's nothing to be gained by doing so. So if I didn't play your highly-valued (or inflated) story missions while grinders exist, and I have no interest in your Mary Sue characters, why would I suddenly begin playing your stories now? What could you have possibly gained by DRIVING PLAYERS AWAY from the foundry?

Cliff Notes: Players who want "good stories" will find them whether or not "grinders" co-habitate the same mission list. Players who just want to grind will not play the "good stories" no matter how hard you try to convince them otherwise or "force" them to. So there is nothing to gain from nerfing the "grinders" except antagonizing a very large portion of the playerbase. Griefing in an elegant form.
Captain
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 3,158
# 2
02-02-2013, 11:50 PM
I think the more likely outcome that will occur is that the legions of grinders will start to look for who to blame for the removal of their grinders, and that finger is going to point squarely at those "story" authors. This is going to touch off a string of hate-rating. Hell, it's already started: Every single Spotlight mission has already lost stars because of it.

There is nothing to be gained from these crusades except more hate. I, for one, certainly have no desire to play your horrid fanfic and badly written porn, and would have been content to simply ignore them in favor of content that actually serves a useful purpose.
Ensign
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 27
# 3
02-02-2013, 11:57 PM
I've only seen one foundry mission that had badly written porn.

...

I feel kinda cheated now.

Well, maybe the hate-rating will stop when someone comes up with a new type of grinding mission.

Or a way to make the old ones work again.

-Morgan.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 522
# 4
02-03-2013, 12:05 AM
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Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 544
# 5
02-03-2013, 12:44 AM
Wasn't it a story fan author that first brought up the idea of 1-star rating grinders to remove them from the top?

I'm not taking side on this, but that is how I recall the whole 1-star rating got started.

That in turn caused the grinder crowd, which happens to outnumber the story crowd 100 to 1, to lashed out and give them a taste of their own medicine.

There is nothing really wrong with the grinder style missions so long as they are not exploiting the system.

AFK grinders are an exploit, but grinders like those Space Battle Royals are not. The main difference between the two is player involvement.

Let's not sink to name calling in an attempt to get our message across guys. It never works and only makes the perpetrator come off desperate.

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Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 403
# 6
02-03-2013, 01:38 AM
At the end of the day everyone has their own opinion and no group is more passionate than Trekkies and Trekkers.

I'm personally 50/50 on the whole Grinder issue, I like to use them but theres too many!... I dont think there will be a solution until they add Catergories to the Foundry search or have an officail rule of placing Farming: at the start of each name so people know straight away.

The real issue at hand that people keep driving around with only a mention is people that mis-use the rating system. I have played amazing storys and missions that got nearly all 4 & 5 stars however theres a few that place a 1 star for the fun of it or because their downright THICK!... harsh but we were all thinking it
ATTENTION: UNDINE SPACE & TKON GROUND SETS ALL THE WAY DEVS!.. Q-TRIBBLE, MAYBE!?.. EJECT WARP CORE ABILITY LIKE LAYING A SUPER-MINE, HELL YES!!!.. SPACE HIPPIES FROM TOS PLAYING MUSIC IN OUR FLEET STARBASE, NO, JUST, NO... CAIT & RA'KHOLN ADVENTURE ZONE, YES

Ensign
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 8
# 7
02-03-2013, 03:06 AM
Hey, if the grinder missions are easier to find then the better it is.
Ensign
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 7
# 8
02-03-2013, 03:09 AM
my mom always told me dont mess with a bee hive, and thats what they did. and yes a foundry person was the one that started it he cryed on here to have them nerfed and gave one star ratings to the grinders. and in the end ur story is still bad


on personal note the whole thing is over grinding for easy money and stuff well how many of us have more then one charcter to just transfer dilthum and ec thats doing something around how the system is made 2 thats easy 2 so everyone that says grinders are not fair ur cheating by doing that 2.

so lets nerf other things

1 bound all ships and purple items to the charcter.

2 no money transfer in theaccount bank

3 no back door to transfer dilithum


4 and the biggest one a money cap on exchange price no more then plus 50% over its value


oh yes u will be upset about that stuff if they change any of this. in the end we need grinders for a simple fact becuase u put a phaser consle thing for 1.2 mill or a jem hadar ship for 88 mill


i left xbox to play on here becuase i got sick of nerfs but guess what they are here now 2
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 522
# 9
02-03-2013, 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by gstamo01 View Post
Wasn't it a story fan author that first brought up the idea of 1-star rating grinders to remove them from the top?
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Originally Posted by mike1027 View Post
my mom always told me dont mess with a bee hive, and thats what they did. and yes a foundry person was the one that started it he cryed on here to have them nerfed and gave one star ratings to the grinders.

He was the first to openly suggest it but it was because this was already being done to us. It was foolish in the extreme but not unprovoked. And, it is worth noting, that pretty much every foundry author here condemned the idea at once so claiming that we launched an organized campaign is wrong. You are the only ones who have actually done this, and you continue to do it.

This is akin to saying "I had every right to beat that guy up because he talked about punching me after I kicked him in the groin."

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Originally Posted by mike1027 View Post
and in the end ur story is still bad
As bad as your grammar? And who, exactly, is "ur"? You have no grounds on which to get self-righteous here. You have stolen from us. 99% of this game is nothing but grinding but that wasn't good enough for you so you decided to come and take from us the only part of the game we had and one we have put a huge amount of work into. You did this out of greed and spite--nothing more.

Plus, if you loathe the foundry so much why are you even posting here?

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Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 632
# 10
02-03-2013, 03:25 AM
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You have stolen from us. 99% of this game is nothing but grinding but that wasn't good enough for you so you decided to come and take from us the only part of the game we had and one we have put a huge amount of work into. You did this out of greed and spite--nothing more.
I think this is the most brilliant, succinct distillation of why the foundry elites are doing what they are doing: revenge (against a fabricated "enemy").
Leave nerfing to the professionals.
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