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# 51
02-05-2013, 04:35 PM
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Then .Why even bother using the Borg Assimulated Regerative Shield as it is Regen not Resilant?

To the OP if you don't like me as I just gave you some suggestions and not odering you do this or that like hereticknight085 has tendancy to do so.It wasn't worth posting this thread and to work it out on your own or ask friends/fleetmates.

You might want to consider getting into a good fleet.

btw I have been playing Star Trek games for over 10 years now and played one of the hardest skill based rpgs.I ma not a little Kid as I saw ToS on a black and white TV set.This when Apollo 11 went to the moon.
I've said nothing against anyone in this thread, nor do I have any intention to. I've asked for advice. I've gotten it. Everyone's voicing why they think their way is better, and that's good too, because it helps me make an informed choice.

Right now, I have to grind TFO rep before I can make *any* choice, so that's what I'm on right now. The Aegis set will do until i find some affordable options on the Exchange.
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# 52
02-05-2013, 04:53 PM
I really enjoy Advanced Escort for ESTFs, the BOff layout is a little more Sci/Less Tac than the MVAE, otherwise there is no difference except the animation. If you have this one, you may want to revisit it and if you like it, the MVAE would give you an extra Tac Team.

FYI... I run it as an Eng with Borg Antiproton DHCs and turrets. Pretty much cookie-cutter configuration. The weapon power boost for this model is the same between the AE and MVAE.
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# 53
02-05-2013, 04:59 PM
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Then .Why even bother using the Borg Assimulated Regerative Shield as it is Regen not Resilant?
Mostly because the Borg shields used to be really, really easy to get until you got the MACO shield, and also because the set bonuses were very good.

Honestly, though, most people recommend replacing the Borg shield as soon as you can get the MACO shield. The best gear you could put together pre-S7 was the Borg deflector/engines/console and the MACO shield, and a lot of people still hold to this even when the Borg set was downsized.
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# 54
02-05-2013, 05:09 PM
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Mostly because the Borg shields used to be really, really easy to get until you got the MACO shield, and also because the set bonuses were very good.

Honestly, though, most people recommend replacing the Borg shield as soon as you can get the MACO shield. The best gear you could put together pre-S7 was the Borg deflector/engines/console and the MACO shield, and a lot of people still hold to this even when the Borg set was downsized.
I am sticking with my Omegas though although I do use Maco on Cruisers.

Nothing but Omega on my escorts.
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# 55
02-06-2013, 07:17 AM
Okay, I finally have EC rolling in again.

I know there's a bit of a tiff on Regenerative versus Resilient shielding right now. if I'm going to be ditching my Aegis set, what should I be replacing engines and deflector with?
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# 56
02-06-2013, 07:17 AM
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Then .Why even bother using the Borg Assimulated Regerative Shield as it is Regen not Resilant?
Looking at shields on an individual basis, all the other set shields beat out on the Borg shields. The Borg shield is only to be considered if you already have the Borg Deflector and Engines. If you do, then it's not simply a choice between (for example) the MACO shield or the Borg shield, but a choice between the MACO shield or the Borg shield and the 3-piece set bonus.

On my JHEC the difference between the MACO and Borg shield is 1.4k per facing. The MACO also have an extra 15% resistance to Plasma compared to the Borg shield, and 5% less Bleedthrough. The Borg 3-piece bonus however has a 10% chance to trigger when you take damage while a shield facing is below 20%, which reliably procs. That clears Hazard debuffs and applies a fairly large shield regen bonus which brings the shields up quickly.

In essence, the MACO shield protects better while it's up but will go down under prolonged fire, while the Borg shield with the set bonus stays up under prolonged fire due to its recovery mechanism.

The last few times I've died in eSTFs with Borg shields it's been due to spikes of 50k kinetic damage. An extra 1.4k shields and 2500 less bleed through won't really have made that huge a difference. On the other hand, the last few times I've died in eSTFs with the MACO shield have actually come from sustained group fire where my shields are worn away and then they start tearing up my hull.

If you're not PvPing (where you will face big damage spikes), you don't have good shield recovery abilities (such as a Science ship with a 1.35 shield modifier and Transfer Shield Strength 3), and your hull is tough enough to be able to take one or two hits while shields are down, the 3-piece Borg set does better than the MACO. If your hull can't afford to take a few hits, you want the MACO so that it'll stay up longer. Once it drops though, unless you have good, solid ways to bring it back up you're pretty much done.

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# 57
02-06-2013, 07:29 AM
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if I'm going to be ditching my Aegis set, what should I be replacing engines and deflector with?
If you're using the build/ship mentioned in the first page, use the KHG/Adapated MACO shield and engine, with the MACO (defensive) or Omega (offensive) deflector. The KHG/Adapated MACO 2-piece bonus gives a good boost to torpedo damage, so unlike all the other sets it'll up your DPS.

You can always use the KHG/Adapated MACO engines/deflector with the MACO shield too, but that deflector is inferior while the KHG shield is pretty good.

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# 58
02-06-2013, 07:34 AM
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If you're using the build/ship mentioned in the first page, use the KHG/Adapated MACO shield and engine, with the MACO (defensive) or Omega (offensive) deflector. The KHG/Adapated MACO 2-piece bonus gives a good boost to torpedo damage, so unlike all the other sets it'll up your DPS.

You can always use the KHG/Adapated MACO engines/deflector with the MACO shield too, but that deflector is inferior while the KHG shield is pretty good.
I meant pre-Rep-Grind. What should I replace them with NOW?
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# 59
02-06-2013, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by barachielangel View Post
I meant pre-Rep-Grind. What should I replace them with NOW?
Umm... nothing?

Usually you start with random drops and mission rewards, which cap at Mk XI.

You then grab the Aegis because it's the easiest set to acquire, and you use it to do STFs. Back when STFs were long and grueling, the Aegis set was the entry-level equipment for the endgame.

There's absolutely nothing non-Rep that's better than the Aegis, with the exception of the Jem'Hadar Mk XII set if you use Polaron weapons and have the Lobi.

Addendum:
Mission sets like the Breen or Jem sets never factored into endgame build discussions because they weren't competitive with Borg/MACO/KHG/Omega/Aegis.

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Last edited by darkjeff; 02-06-2013 at 08:49 AM. Reason: Added Addendum
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# 60
02-06-2013, 09:44 AM
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Umm... nothing?

Usually you start with random drops and mission rewards, which cap at Mk XI.

You then grab the Aegis because it's the easiest set to acquire, and you use it to do STFs. Back when STFs were long and grueling, the Aegis set was the entry-level equipment for the endgame.

There's absolutely nothing non-Rep that's better than the Aegis, with the exception of the Jem'Hadar Mk XII set if you use Polaron weapons and have the Lobi.

Addendum:
Mission sets like the Breen or Jem sets never factored into endgame build discussions because they weren't competitive with Borg/MACO/KHG/Omega/Aegis.
AH! So Aegis is great for the moment, I just need to replace it with the Rep Gear when I can. *nods* Got it!
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