Ensign
Join Date: Feb 2013
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# 101
02-06-2013, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by trek21 View Post
Guys, let him search for his proof before you stamp on his claims If he finds it, then great, if not, then there's your proof

Besides, the Vesta is technically non-canon, being from the books and not the shows, and it's still in STO... anything's possible after all
http://gaming.trekcore.com/armada2/ships-klingon.html

It says Qeh'Ral is an older ship, which isn't correct, it came after NeghVar, not before, but just for the other user saying it wasn't in Star Trek Armada 2.
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# 102
02-06-2013, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by warbird001 View Post
After reading Peregrine Falcon's informative history on Cryptic and the Klingon Empire.
I have a lot of respect for Peregrine Falcon, but....... I've read his history also, and while all the events that lead many to call Cryptic "liars" and "manipulators" are listed, there is something of a bias in the descriptions.

If Cryptic said "we are working on...." the description reads "Crpytic promised". If Cryptic said, "we have plans for...", it is interpreted as "Cryptic promised". If one of the Devs said, "this is high on our priority list..." his comments are presented as "Cryptic promised". If DStahl said, "I would really like to have that in game..." that is listed as "Cryptic Promised".

What Cryptic was guilty of was trying to be as open as possible about future plans, things that were being worked on, and changes in those plans. Every time something changed, they were accused of lying.

I dare you to show me one business that never changes their plans, never works on something that doesn't come to fruition, never reconsiders an idea.

We used to get a lot of information about what was being considered and worked on. Now we get very little. Can you blame them? Is it better?
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# 103
02-06-2013, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by starscreamfighte View Post
http://gaming.trekcore.com/armada2/ships-klingon.html

It says Qeh'Ral is an older ship, which isn't correct, it came after NeghVar, not before, but just for the other user saying it wasn't in Star Trek Armada 2.
i cannot remember it in armada 2 and i modded that game to death
Ensign
Join Date: Feb 2013
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# 104
02-06-2013, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by usscapital View Post
i cannot remember it in armada 2 and i modded that game to death
I played without Mods, and still knew of it.

It is one of the original ships for the Klingon Empire.

But anyways, when you look at the Qeh'Ral, you can see the gorn influences.
Rihannsu
Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 105
02-06-2013, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by trek21 View Post
Besides, the Vesta is technically non-canon, being from the books and not the shows, and it's still in STO... anything's possible after all
Well to clarify I accept 3 levels.

1) "Hard" canon - this was shown or said in the movies and TV series.
2) Soft canon - this was on novels and other licensed material, as long it does not conflict with hard canon its accepted (Vesta class falls into this category).
3) Non-canon - Everything that is unlicensed, this includes mods to licensed games.

Also Cryptic have stated they cannot use designs from other games, if someone brings up a Armada II design this is what I reply, anything is NOT possible so dont drop in the same bag something like the Luna or the Vesta along with a Armada II fan design, the Luna and Vesta were from officially LICENSED materials.
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# 106
02-06-2013, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by starscreamfighte View Post
I played without Mods, and still knew of it.

It is one of the original ships for the Klingon Empire.

But anyways, when you look at the Qeh'Ral, you can see the gorn influences.
don't remember it either, only thing I can imagine it could be a one off from one of the story missions, but then it did not leave any lasting impression.

btw, about being older that reasoning makes sense since it looks like a decendent of the IKS sword of kahless from klingon academy. which played around the time of ST V and IV.

still it was never on screen in the TV series or there would be documentation like crazy about it.
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# 107
02-06-2013, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by f2pdrakron View Post
Well to clarify I accept 3 levels.

1) "Hard" canon - this was shown or said in the movies and TV series.
2) Soft canon - this was on novels and other licensed material, as long it does not conflict with hard canon its accepted (Vesta class falls into this category).
3) Non-canon - Everything that is unlicensed, this includes mods to licensed games.

Also Cryptic have stated they cannot use designs from other games, if someone brings up a Armada II design this is what I reply, anything is NOT possible so dont drop in the same bag something like the Luna or the Vesta along with a Armada II fan design, the Luna and Vesta were from officially LICENSED materials.
Not quite correct. It sepends apon the licenced material for what game. There is quite a bit of stuff thats been used in other games (specificly ships) that they can use. This is from one of the art folks. It was stated in a pod cast inteview some time in the last 6 months.

If its anything where a licence reverts back to CBS then it belongs to CBS.. the art assets anyway. SOme they can use, some they cant. But my understanding is ship models are generally in the "can" department.

Relax guys.. more stuff coming.. its one of those "Daniel Stahl said" things in a pod cast recently (like just days) the "word" is escort class/sized ships.. certainly mostly fed, and some may be previously used skins with slighty different stats..and my money says many will be "fleet" ship designs. we'll just have to wait an d see.. it'll be happening over the next 6-8 weeks.y KDF will get some love..

.............they have been consistant about thowing things KDF way when the feds get goodies even when its not much (for the KDF) over the last year.

Khemaraa sends.

P.S. personally holding off on the tar and feathers until end of May, beginning of June.
....and a if'n they don't... the virtupertive Khemaraa of old will be a post'n. Yes Cryptic has FUBAR'd in the past.. but they have done a few little things now and again. The impression is the next "more then a season and sounds kinda like an actuall expansion"is a big real KDF content thing not a little thing.. seeing it kinda needs to be the big "we've been waitng 3 years for" big thing, they either deliver, or its seriously bad press time.
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Let the happy old bug stomping commence, along with refinement toward enhancing each factions play experience!
Rihannsu
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Posts: 3,376
# 108
02-06-2013, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by oldkhemaraa View Post
Not quite correct.
I am pretty sure I would be 100% correct on my own personal views of how consider things.

Officially? CBS and Paramount are the ones holding what is canon or not regardless of anything, be it licensed or not but my personal view was that.

Oh and dont try going over rights. licensing and cross media because its a ugly, ugly thing caused by decades of Disney influence on Congress and the more and more labyrinth rights laws ...
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# 109
02-06-2013, 06:14 PM
You know, they should just do away with factions altogether.
Instead, when creating a player character, you can chose a origin Starfleet, KDF, Romulan, get a nice tutorial in the representing setting. Then you set out into the world, sporting your origins color and go safe the galaxy from the iconians, borg, undine, whatever.
You can shop at every place, you can visit every place.
however there are restrictions. to visit the homeworld sector of a different origin, you have to get diplomatic reputation, to visit the actual homeworld/base, better be a high ranking diplomat.
Want ships not from where you come from, get your standing with them up, aka reputation.

You can also pledge you allegiance to one power when you have reached max reputation with them, aka defecting to the other side.

Can expand that rather easy with other powers, cardassian, neutral traders, whatever.

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-= KAGE 5:43 =-
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# 110
02-06-2013, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by lostusthorn View Post
You know, they should just do away with factions altogether.
Instead, when creating a player character, you can chose a origin Starfleet, KDF, Romulan, get a nice tutorial in the representing setting. Then you set out into the world, sporting your origins color and go safe the galaxy from the iconians, borg, undine, whatever.
You can shop at every place, you can visit every place.
however there are restrictions. to visit the homeworld sector of a different origin, you have to get diplomatic reputation, to visit the actual homeworld/base, better be a high ranking diplomat.
Want ships not from where you come from, get your standing with them up, aka reputation.

You can also pledge you allegiance to one power when you have reached max reputation with them, aka defecting to the other side.

Can expand that rather easy with other powers, cardassian, neutral traders, whatever.
Sounds cool.
I would support this.
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