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# 11
02-09-2013, 03:53 PM
The tanking part of this set is the 2 pieces bonus, no need the anorexic shield.
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# 12
02-09-2013, 07:59 PM
If you already have the Mk XI Borg space set, then you are not missing anything by skipping the Mk XII set since the latter's numbers are too close to the Mk XI to justify the 32.5k dilithium cost per piece. However, I use both Mk XI and Mk XII in various escorts with very good results. Backed by EPtS + TT, the borg shield is extremely good at letting me stay in sustained fire-fights, not to mention the hull and shield auto-regen procs and tractor beam + cutting beam combo.
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# 13
02-10-2013, 02:16 AM
I'm surprised people still use the 2 borg pieces + maco shield combo... They nerfed this a long time ago since season 7 launch, it doesn't work anymore. You might as well use a full borg set or completely switch to maco set.

Now, to reply to OP, the mk xi and mk xii are not that different. I have the mk xi and it does work fine. But if I ever get the mk xii set, it'll be purely as a collectible.
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# 14
02-10-2013, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by deokkent View Post
I'm surprised people still use the 2 borg pieces + maco shield combo... They nerfed this a long time ago since season 7 launch, it doesn't work anymore. You might as well use a full borg set or completely switch to maco set.

Now, to reply to OP, the mk xi and mk xii are not that different. I have the mk xi and it does work fine. But if I ever get the mk xii set, it'll be purely as a collectible.
What is this "nerf" you speak of.. the borg/maco combo is still pretty potent, more potent than full borg set in STF.

Sure the 2 piece KHG/maco set trumps it, but it's still good.
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# 15
02-11-2013, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by questerius View Post
What is this "nerf" you speak of.. the borg/maco combo is still pretty potent, more potent than full borg set in STF.

Sure the 2 piece KHG/maco set trumps it, but it's still good.

You are correct sir the borg/maco is very potent, even now... And that's exactly why they had to change it. If they left it as it was prior to season 7, stf elite wouldn't really feel like elite. One person in an escort (hell, in a peregrine fighter) could most likely tank a fully powered tactical cube indefinitely with all the t5 passives if the devs hadn't bothered making the change. At the moment, 2 pieces only get you one bonus (the random hull regen) and you need to put on a third piece to unlock the shield regen that appears when your own shields are almost depleted. Assimilated module is also no longer part of the borg set.

Full borg set is clearly the new gear for STF, because it can now be combined with another set, the Omega Adapted Borg tech which includes the omega plasma/kinetic cutting beam/Assim. module. There are other decent builds out there, but I'm not so sure they compete with the bonuses obtained from assimilated borg and omega adapted tech. So far, it's the only combo that effectively boosts defensive and offensive power in all the new eye candy.
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# 16
02-12-2013, 07:03 AM
I was pondering what set up to use on my Breen cruiser.

I currently have the XI Borg Set. The jump to XII seems inconsequential but I have started the XII Omega set in the reputation system (1000 Omega marks for each piece?!) to see if it will be better.

As the Breen ship is somewhere in between an escort and a full cruiser I wonder which set will produce the best results.

In my view, the jump from XI to XII is not worth the large amount of time, marks, and dilithium.
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# 17
02-12-2013, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by deokkent View Post
I'm surprised people still use the 2 borg pieces + maco shield combo... They nerfed this a long time ago since season 7 launch, it doesn't work anymore. You might as well use a full borg set or completely switch to maco set.

Now, to reply to OP, the mk xi and mk xii are not that different. I have the mk xi and it does work fine. But if I ever get the mk xii set, it'll be purely as a collectible.
they did not nerf the 2 borg + maco shield setup. they nerfed the 2 borg + maco shield + maco engine setup. now people are just using the engines and the deflector combined. the healing bonus it grants is insanely high, it does worth getting the borg engines or deflectors over other set items.

to OP: upgrading does not rly worth it. I think the set bonus got buffed lately (there was some buff to all set bonuses, that would increase their effect with higher levels), but still not really worth it. I did buy it, and was kind of angry how little it gave back in the end. if you can afford, upgrade, as every little bit counts, but I suspect you still can spend the money better elsewhere
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# 18
02-12-2013, 08:50 AM
I use the borg set on my tanky escort, I've tried quite a few combinations, but the regen rate and regen proc are far more powerful than most people give credit for.

The Maco shield and 2 pc borg is ok, but under sustained fire (like under a CSE cube) it just can't keep it's shields up. Trade field gens for regen consoles and you have an slightly higher capacity but under regenerating borg shield.

The KHG (adapted maco) shield is decent, better than the Maco for longer term protection. It suffers from the borg's low fire rate. Its high capacity doesn't hold up as well to larger torpedo hits as you'd think, mostly to not being 100% most of the time.

The borg sets biggest problem is capacity, with a low shield mod and low capacity expect to have to rotate shield facings very often, the 5s of tac team not working is a lifetime, and the gate, donatra, unimatrix and queen will one hit you with their torpedos. But your shields do tend to stay up for much longer, and a much higher percentage of charge, which will deflect many torpedoes just enough.

That said, the difference between XI and XII of the borg is marginal and not worth the dil cost.
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# 19
02-12-2013, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ferdzso0
they did not nerf the 2 borg + maco shield setup. they nerfed the 2 borg + maco shield + maco engine setup. now people are just using the engines and the deflector combined. the healing bonus it grants is insanely high, it does worth getting the borg engines or deflectors over other set items.
Definitely agree, I wish I had made my earlier post more clear. There was also another good combo pre season 7: 2 borg (engine +deflector) + maco shield + assimilated module. This is the one I was talking about (I forgot to include the assimilated module as the third borg piece); which worked great as well. Both build will get you the random hull regen but the difference is, with your build, you'd get magnetoplasma relays; with mine, you'd obtain Multi regenerative shield array. The shield array is a random passive, but the right conditions occurred often enough in stf it toggled almost always to save someone's butt at least in my case. Right now, I feel those two bonus (hull regen + shield array) cannot be ignored for stf, so I'm pretty much inclined to put on the 3 borg pieces (def + engine + shield)... The only way to get them now .

I didn't know about your build before though (don't know why lol), so that's another build I just learned they ruined hehehe.
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Last edited by deokkent; 02-12-2013 at 05:16 PM.
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# 20
02-13-2013, 06:53 AM
Now that I'm Omega Tier V and have started purchasing the Mk XII Borg set, it appears to me that the stats are identical to the Mk XI set. I'd really like to see the developers comment on this. Is it a typo in the item descriptions, or is there really no difference gained by spending 32 thousand dilithium and 900 Omega Marks on a single piece of equipment?

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