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# 101
02-14-2013, 04:31 AM
Who ever says that cruisers are just tankers they are lying! Even with all dmg resistance skills and heals cruisers die faster than sci ships and escorts. They are by bad design a bit of both dmg dealers and tankers. The op escorts captains that are saying that the dmg of cruisers is great at it is now are liars! For example first you need to sacrifice your defence skills, then you need to trap a escort in warp plasma, then hit EPTW then APB and DEM then fire! Only in very rare specific circumstances like this you can deal dmg. And that is not often because the turn rate is horrible and not everyone can have mk xii acc3 weapons wide angle quantum torpedoes.
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# 102
02-14-2013, 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by rakija879 View Post
Who ever says that cruisers are just tankers they are lying! Even with all dmg resistance skills and heals cruisers die faster than sci ships and escorts. They are by bad design a bit of both dmg dealers and tankers. The op escorts captains that are saying that the dmg of cruisers is great at it is now are liars! For example first you need to sacrifice your defence skills, then you need to trap a escort in warp plasma, then hit EPTW then APB and DEM then fire! Only in very rare specific circumstances like this you can deal dmg. And that is not often because the turn rate is horrible and not everyone can have mk xii acc3 weapons wide angle quantum torpedoes.
If your cruiser dies faster than an Escort...you're playing wrong
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# 103
02-14-2013, 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by rakija879 View Post
Who ever says that cruisers are just tankers they are lying! Even with all dmg resistance skills and heals cruisers die faster than sci ships and escorts. They are by bad design a bit of both dmg dealers and tankers. The op escorts captains that are saying that the dmg of cruisers is great at it is now are liars! For example first you need to sacrifice your defence skills, then you need to trap a escort in warp plasma, then hit EPTW then APB and DEM then fire! Only in very rare specific circumstances like this you can deal dmg. And that is not often because the turn rate is horrible and not everyone can have mk xii acc3 weapons wide angle quantum torpedoes.

learn how to build your cruiser... If you die faster than an escort, then your build is a fail... simply because a cruiser has more eng consoles, eng abilities and sci abilities.
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# 104
02-14-2013, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by marc8219 View Post
No there doesn't need to be any nerfing to any ships hull. They won't do it anyway since this is a silly idea and no justification for this, and would only give PWE a whole lot of angry customers if they saw the ships they already paid for nerfed for no good reason.

Only fix needed to make cruisers and sci ships more useful compared to escorts is all other weapons besides DHC need to be fixed. Make all weapons fire similar to DHC firing cycle where they deal all the damage in the first second of the cycle then spend 2 seconds on cooldown allowing you to gain more power back, this will fix DPS of beams and single cannons and make non escorts more useful.
why so beam boats can tank 8 players AND deal burst damage in pvp? no, i think not.
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# 105
02-14-2013, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by rakija879 View Post
Who ever says that cruisers are just tankers they are lying! Even with all dmg resistance skills and heals cruisers die faster than sci ships and escorts. They are by bad design a bit of both dmg dealers and tankers. The op escorts captains that are saying that the dmg of cruisers is great at it is now are liars! For example first you need to sacrifice your defence skills, then you need to trap a escort in warp plasma, then hit EPTW then APB and DEM then fire! Only in very rare specific circumstances like this you can deal dmg. And that is not often because the turn rate is horrible and not everyone can have mk xii acc3 weapons wide angle quantum torpedoes.
awww, sorry you had to time your skills and pay attention to get a kill, guess what good escorts who mop the floor with you are timing there skills to hit in the tiny window when your skills are on cd. they are just better players than you.
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# 106
02-14-2013, 07:25 AM
I will say however that i find the fact that lockbox gambling cheese ships rivaling even fleet ships in stats is sickening and the p2w err pay to have a significant starting advantage model of cryptic is going to ruin pvp if its not ruined already.

Succesful f2p models sell cosmetic things only. making money yet maintaining competitive integrity. cryptic and perfect turd just dont seem to care about the integrity of sto and most mmo pvpers will continue to stay away.

lack of integrity is not surprising coming from a government who funds and supports daily cyber attacks against the US

Last edited by beefsupreme79; 02-14-2013 at 07:30 AM.
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# 107
02-14-2013, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by hereticknight085 View Post
A cruiser must sacrifice most of it's tank and a lot of it's heals to even strive to achieve escort level damage (which it still won't be able to do). Whereas an escort, it just has to sacrifice... almost nothing? Just slot on neutronium, monotanium, take out the RCS, and slot heals on it's engi and sci, and all of a sudden you have a ship that can tank almost ANY PVE content as well as a cruiser.
Over a year and a half ago I dropped my cruiser for this exact reason. I found I could tank things just as easily in my escort as I could in my DPS set up cruiser. Just like my cruiser I could stick my tanky escort right next to a gate or tac cube, aggro it and survive, while doing much more damage than my DPS cruiser.
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