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# 21
02-11-2013, 04:09 PM
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But I can tell you a 5 man crusier team is tough to get optional in a pug - but a 5 man escort team is no problem.
Optional objectives are usually a timed event. As such, it's basically a DPS race. DPS is what escorts are SUPPOSED to do. This doesn't mean escorts need to be nerfed. If you want something changed about this (and I'm not saying it should or shouldn't be changed), then they should make the optional objective be something different than "kill x within 10 minutes".
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02-11-2013, 04:14 PM
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Optional objectives are usually a timed event. As such, it's basically a DPS race. DPS is what escorts are SUPPOSED to do. This doesn't mean escorts need to be nerfed. If you want something changed about this (and I'm not saying it should or shouldn't be changed), then they should make the optional objective be something different than "kill x within 10 minutes".
Well TANKING is something escorts are NOT supposed to do. But 1 shield mods and mid 30's hull lets them do that as well now. Why?

I can get along just fine in a Hegh'ta class Heavy Bop with 24k hull, 0.8 shield mod, 6 weapons slots and 4 BO - without using a cloak - as cloak is useless in ESTF and will actually get you 1 shot killed often.

So why do escorts need the High DPS and High Hull?
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02-11-2013, 04:17 PM
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So why do escorts need the High DPS and High Hull?
Since when is 30K hull considered high? Cruisers have much higher hull.
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02-11-2013, 04:19 PM
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Since when is 30K hull considered high? Cruisers have much higher hull.
if you read my other posts - the last 2 - Breen at 36k and now Jem HEC at 37,500 are the highest in the game - close to T5 Sov
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02-11-2013, 04:27 PM
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if you read my other posts - the last 2 - Breen at 36k and now Jem HEC at 37,500 are the highest in the game - close to T5 Sov
Those are not 'escorts' in the strict sense, and more a hybrid escort/cruisers/carrier. The Breen was limited time availability, and is no longer available (not tradeable). The Jem HEC only has commander tac slot, and is heavy on engineering slots, and is a Lockbox ship (which generally have better stats than the non-lockbox ships).
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02-11-2013, 04:40 PM
Was not the defiant a heavily armored "tough little ship" that could both take a hit and dish it out? It certainly cant be the only vessel designed to be capable and defensive both by speed and armor.

If anything I would say give Cruisers more hull.
Though the issue of Escort toughness is both a series of small things that have caused thr sotuation and the fact that new concepts in escort build design (hilberts guide for example) have increased the escorts ability to survive.
Add that to the fact that while Cruisers can rank they do not have the luxury of wearing an enemy down in the game.
But to say that Escorts should not tank is a statement that does not make sense to me. The escort is merely a platform. The ability to tank is in build layout and timing.
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02-11-2013, 04:45 PM
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But to say that Escorts should not tank is a statement that does not make sense to me. The escort is merely a platform. The ability to tank is in build layout and timing.
Indeed. This ^^
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# 28
02-11-2013, 04:46 PM
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That's because everyone got a buff with the omega and romulan passives. They in effective raised the level cap without actually raising the cap by giving more passives.

So, no. Escorts don't need to be nerfed. And no, we don't need ANOTHER thread on this subject. If escorts were the end-all-be-all of ships, everyone would be flying them. But strangely enough, I see A LOT of cruisers flying around.

EDIT: Or perhaps could it be that, OMG, people are actually learning to improve their gameplay?
How many guides posted by players who actually know the game and its mechanics simply state to use escorts only in PvE?

Right now escorts, and the wannabe escorts (Breen/etc) are the only ships worth using in PvE. The only reason everyone doesn't use them is that most players of this game are pretty terrible both skill and knowledge wise combined with the casual nature many approach the game with.

Sadly in STFs anymore I don't see much of a difference between an AFK player and a typical snoozer.
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# 29
02-11-2013, 04:59 PM
How much of this games PvE is just glorified easy kill content and Escorts are designed to do what again?
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# 30
02-11-2013, 05:08 PM
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Was not the defiant a heavily armored "tough little ship" that could both take a hit and dish it out? It certainly cant be the only vessel designed to be capable and defensive both by speed and armor.

If anything I would say give Cruisers more hull.
Though the issue of Escort toughness is both a series of small things that have caused thr sotuation and the fact that new concepts in escort build design (hilberts guide for example) have increased the escorts ability to survive.
Add that to the fact that while Cruisers can rank they do not have the luxury of wearing an enemy down in the game.
But to say that Escorts should not tank is a statement that does not make sense to me. The escort is merely a platform. The ability to tank is in build layout and timing.
I guess the 2 biggest problems are: too much power drain on beams and too little hull compared to escorts.

I guess flying the Heavy Bop with a 24k hull in ESTF and surviving most times has just made me wonder what's up with the Hull creep for the escorts.

Seems like escorts are getting more and more OP .

Wonder what they will come out with on the Andorian ship? Why not have a Destroyer with 40k hull and 16 turn and 1.2 shield mod? 8 weapons slots and DHC loads and 20+ power to weapons!
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