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# 1 Horrrrrrible thought
02-13-2013, 05:48 AM
I am praying I am wrong ....
BUT DID TNG 8-10 NEVER HAPPEN!?

Since the nexus thing, wouldn't all of 8 - 10 of happened in the nexus and Picard was imagining it all?

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# 2
02-13-2013, 06:04 AM
?

Assuming you are talking about the movies, it's pretty clear that Kirk and Picard left the nexus to go fight Soran. I don't think Kirk would have died if he were still in the nexus.

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02-13-2013, 06:05 AM
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?

Assuming you are talking about the movies, it's pretty clear that Kirk and Picard left the nexus to go fight Soran. I don't think Kirk would have died if he were still in the nexus.
Clear?

How?
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02-13-2013, 06:11 AM
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Clear?

How?
Hmm... They both rode their horses off into the blazing light and wound up on Veridian III.

Also, considering that the nexus is supposed to be a place of complete happiness, I doubt Picard would be imagining all the bad stuff that happened in the next movies. He doesn't strike me as the masochistic type.

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# 5
02-13-2013, 06:12 AM
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Hmm... They both rode their horses off into the blazing light and wound up on Veridian III.

Also, considering that the nexus is supposed to be a place of complete happiness, I doubt Picard would be imagining all the bad stuff that happened in the next movies. He doesn't strike me as the masochistic type.
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# 6
02-13-2013, 06:56 AM
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He doesn't strike me as the masochistic type.
Sadist... maybe so.
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# 7
02-13-2013, 07:14 AM
Kirk dying kinda kills any idea of them still being in the nexus.
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# 8
02-13-2013, 07:48 AM
i'm curious , was Soran in the Nexus too?
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# 9
02-13-2013, 07:51 AM
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Assuming you are talking about the movies, it's pretty clear that Kirk and Picard left the nexus to go fight Soran. I don't think Kirk would have died if he were still in the nexus.
Allow me to throw a wrench into your very logical response.

Kirk knew he was dead already once he realized he was in the Nexus and nothing mattered. While on the horses he indirectly tells Picard that he was only happy when he was a starship captain trying to make a difference.

So Kirk decides his last act is to die doing something he loved. In fact, his last words were "it was fun" so we know he died happy. I would say it's possible he died having never left the Nexus, as he couldn't be happy anymore in the quasi alive state the Nexus gave him.
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# 10
02-13-2013, 07:56 AM
Worf is the key.

Ignoring his convenient shore leave and/or wrecking the Defiant every time the Enterprise-E was doing anything, Picard still knew he had been moved to DS9, which he wouldn't have if he'd stayed in the Nexus. The fact that Worf survived to move to DS9 at all means that Kirk and Picard stopped the supernova that would have destroyed what was left of the Enterprise-D - those events actually played out just to erase any doubt.

Also, DS9 referenced the Borg attack in First Contact, depending on whether you go by dialog or stardates it was either happening a couple weeks before the Dominion came through the wormhole or while Sisko was dragging Eddington around the DMZ in a runabout with the Jem'hadar exterminating the Maquis (the latter making more sense since it explains why Sisko wasn't personally piloting his avatar of vengeance against the enemy he built it for).

As a non-Worf point, in Insurrection and Nemesis, Picard was aware of the Dominion War. If he was in the Nexus, he might have been aware of the Dominion's existence, but the Odyssey had not been destroyed yet, meaning it didn't yet pose a credible threat, much less an invasion of the Alpha Quadrant.

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