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# 1101
02-16-2013, 11:40 AM
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All things being equal, the simplest answer is often the right one.

It doesn't take long to realize that 150 years later that Occam's razor still applies. Cryptic seems to take the extreme measure rather than the logical or simple one.

If I have an enemy in front of me and I fire a gun at him and he keeps coming, I don't go from the hand gun to a nuclear bomb to kill him, do I?
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Hmm.. *looks at the watch* Oh right it's about that time when the "rah-rah Cryptic is great" incognito PR accounts came online to post with the intention to divide us or put us on the defensive. Finished with the morning debriefing and set to get to work are you?

No compromise. Not one dime from me until this is undone.
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# 1103
02-16-2013, 11:44 AM
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Ahaha in the UK there is a football team that perennially under achieve and their fans have a movement called "Where has our Arsenal Gone"

maybe we should start a website "wherehasourstartrekmmogone,com"

We could get Adrian Durham to do a "daily Arsenal" feature on it

Suarez ftw... Or maybe not
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# 1104
02-16-2013, 11:45 AM
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Let me point out that this is not a personal affront to you at all, so please don't take it that way. This just happens to be the last post I read.

In my experience, there are different types of players. Some like to grind and max out. Some like to immerse themselves into PVE/RP. And then there are those like me that are in between. The AFK/timid grind missions were exploits. That is a fact. Most experienced players know it is but can't admit it because they have these ridiculous fleet sinks hanging over them for their starbase.

What needs to be created is an equivalent of what was in the Foundry for players to earn marks, without involving the Foundry itself. It seems that is what they say is coming, but we'll have to see. If they reworked the STFs to be more engaging and found a way to auto-boot AFKers, there wouldn't be a discussion at all. Foundry and STF: Two different playstyles, two different game options, one game, happily separated and together.

PVE-Team - Theres very little of this in the game, and the best of it requires grinding to be able to play it well.

Your entire argument is nonsensical because no matter what style of player you are you will still be forced into grinding. We are all effected by this state of affairs. The "AFK" (which is incorrect as they are not an autofarm, you can't macro them) missions are a result not of players being willfully malevolent (abusing) and damaging or breaking the game but are a result of the players fixing the game. What the players did was identify a broken area of the game where Cryptic had imposed their "vision" which wasn't realistically in-line with what the customers actually wanted from the game. So the customers looked for a way to fix something that was broken or made the game ****ty and boring to play, I.e. the sinks and lack of FM's in the rest of the game.

What you call "abuse" I call the natural alignment of what players actually want from the game through circumventing the broken and failed vision Cryptic have.
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# 1105
02-16-2013, 11:47 AM
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Perhaps this isn't the time to mention that this American is a Chelsea supporter
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We could get Adrian Durham to do a "daily Arsenal" feature on it

Suarez ftw... Or maybe not
Lol I'm an LFC fan x)
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# 1106
02-16-2013, 11:47 AM
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Let me point out that this is not a personal affront to you at all, so please don't take it that way. This just happens to be the last post I read.

Actually, it appears that there is shortsightedness on both sides of this argument. Let me try to explain the other point of view on this.

First off, even though there was a tremendous amount of feedback from the Foundry authors, I'm fairly certain that they did not "force" the devs to make the changes they did. It just doesn't happen that way. Believe me. I've played MMOs for well over a decade.
I (and many others) would be more inclined to believe in a coincidence if it weren't for the timing in this, and other Foundry nerfs. In another thread that was closed, links were posted to threads by Foundry authors demanded these changes, and it just so happens that Cryptic makes said changes within weeks. And this was done with all the nerf with the same timing involved. Don't need to be Vulcan to figure that out.

I'm not saying there is a vast conspiracy, but apparently Cryptic is only listening to those who sshare their views of what constitute "legitimate gameplay." No one is making this up, the evidence is on these boards.


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The missions that you say "created interest" in the Foundry, didn't really do that at all. It's been stated before that the intent of the Foundry was to create and expand on the game world experience through user generated stories and scenarios. It is not, and never was supposed to be a tool to max out fleet/dilithium/EC gain. You know it. I know it. And so does everyone else..
What it was intended to be used for is irrelevant. We had a decent system that allowed different people to play different ways. Now, we must all play one way.

And many people have already stated the only thing bringing them to the Foundry was the Wrapper. I for one player the story missions for a change of pace. I left good reviews and dilithium tips. Why should I bother with the Foundry if I don't even have the XP wrapper to advance my alts?


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To be honest, the players that did nothing but grind AFK missions..
And that hurts you, how?

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never did and STILL have no real interest in the Foundry, so that point is completely moot..
And somehow removing the wrapper the awarded XP and set dilithium and replacing it with a system that can potentially reward less dilithium is somehow supposed to generate interest in the Foundry?
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# 1107
02-16-2013, 11:48 AM
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And why can't Cryptic make their own versions of those missions? Farmers just want the most amount of resources in the least amount of time, so why not give it to them?
pretty much and in a way they where using the foundry as designed.


by playing content cryptic does not make. that is what the foundry is user generated content to supplement cryptic's content


and sense they where using it as such it is now "not as intended"


i will admit i used it as a resource grinder but i also played some of the story missions it all depended on what i felt like doing at the time
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# 1108
02-16-2013, 11:48 AM
It seems they were applying a dynamic patch to the Foundry server when it broke.

Anyone seen a thread saying they were patching something today? Or was this another stealth patch.
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# 1109
02-16-2013, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by weylandjuarez View Post
Pro Tip: nuking from orbit is the only way to be sure.
You better change that sig if you have bought any Zen with dilthium since Oct 2012.

You are farming - and giving your time to someone else who is paying cryptic for the dilthium. That goes to their bottom line.

But if you have not bought Zen with dilthium in the exchange then your Sig is correct.
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# 1110
02-16-2013, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by skydawnknight View Post
The missions that you say "created interest" in the Foundry, didn't really do that at all.


Yes it did, was playing foundry mission (to look for grind misssions).
So sometimes i was playing normal missions (by error).
Still I played some missions like that, now i will never play them, don't have time for them.

So yes, foundry got more interest before the changes.
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