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# 2121
02-19-2013, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by daveyny View Post
There ya go folks...exactly what you've been asking for... a reply.

So what do we rage about now?
Well that depends on the community and whether they're willing to let Dan get away with a throwaway comment like that.

The EP of Star Trek Online has responded to over 2000 posts asking for more information on how and when the Fleet Marks are going to be restored with a 'I'm not telling you - you'll just have to wait'.

How you react to this is your own individual choice.

Me? I'll continue to post in this and others threads when I have something to say or in response to others and I'll continue to be happy in the knowledge that not a single penny of my money is going towards paying this man's salary.

*Edit* Oh! And congratulations everyone!! This in now the 7th most commented news post since the game was in beta in 2010
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# 2122
02-19-2013, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by daveyny View Post
He told you that Thursday will be the day some FM's will be added to the game...

The day and a half to 'rage on', is also included free of charge.
This is the reply we just received (as you may already know)

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Originally Posted by dastahl
As I stated 100s of threads before, additional Fleet Marks are coming.

Will Fleet Marks be added back to Foundry missions? Nope.

Will Fleet Marks be increased on other missions? Yes.

How soon?
Margaret Thatcher (Former PM of the UK) pulled a rather similar stunt with the coal miners of South Wales iirc. Pulled out the rug from an iffy system without replacing.
Guess what? She is STILL reviled but pretty much the entire population of the UK.

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As I hinted at last week, you will see changes over the next several month, but the first change will be this Thursday.
Did He? I don't recall that. Then again, I don't recall finding out about the lack of IOR until it actually hit. Before you ask, yes I do read and digest patch notes.

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We are not detailing that change until the patch notes hit.
^ THIS is a big problem. TRUST.
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# 2123
02-19-2013, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by bizzarquestion View Post
The pettiness you bring to this issue is neither helpful nor wanted.

Anyway...Power to the People! Keep fighting The Good Fight!
Ummm... I believe "the pettiness" was well established in this thread long before I came along.
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# 2124
02-19-2013, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by kyuui13 View Post
Should have been done with the removal of the IOR, not later. had you done so, you'd not have a 2000 post thread on your forum.
Agreed, this wasn't well-planned or well-executed. I am actually not severely opposed to the removal of fleet marks from the Foundry. What I was very bothered by was the failure to shift those marks elsewhere simultaneously--to foresee the objections that were going to come up, and have a plan already in place to deal with them.

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# 2125
02-19-2013, 11:07 AM
Dont's worry "Fun" will be installed next Tuesday......
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# 2126
02-19-2013, 11:07 AM
Recent post from another thread:

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Originally Posted by dastahl View Post
We absolutely do listen to feedback. But there is another issue, some people like to exploit.

I take full responsibility and freely admit that we have been heavy handed with closing exploits and that in the future we will strive to be more considerate about how we close loopholes. Providing clear alternatives for players NOT exploiting while we close down the holes.

If you go back in time to when Foundry missions HAD NO REWARDS, these issues were not around. It is only when we started adding "tangible" rewards to the Foundry that the issues surrounding the Foundry became more in depth.

We want to reward Foundry missions. We want players to be recognized for making great missions (where great is determined by the player base - not us).

However, as soon as we started attaching real rewards to the Foundry, exploits started.

Whether it was the click a contact missions or the recent AFK farming of Foundry missions, having rewards on Foundry missions is problematic.

We take responsibility for putting the rewards there in the first place, but it is out of our desire to credit those who make missions in the Foundry that achieve status in the community.

So recently, we pulled Fleet Marks from the Foundry because there were too many people AFK completing missions, or in other words logging into the mission, letting the client sit there for 30 minutes and then collecting rewards, and Fleet Marks to boot.

Should we have upped the Fleet Marks on other missions before we pulled the FMs from the Foundry? Well I think the answer is obviously yes.

But to think that we are pulling Fleet Marks without an intention to add them back is false. We really do monitor Fleet Marks daily and we know how last week's changes impacted overall Fleet Mark earning. We will be compensating in this week's update to Holodeck.

Will it make everyone happy? no. But it will add Fleet Marks back into the economy.

We do plan to continue updating the Fleet Mark economies as the game progresses and as stated in posts several days ago, we will be reclassifying what are Events and what are Fleet Actions with a goal of making Fleet Marks the reward for "Group" gameplay.

Fleet Projects are only a small percentage Fleet Mark based so if you do not like to "group" then you'll have to contribute in other ways. We DO expect Fleet Holdings to require "group" gameplay for the most part. This is why we will continue to tune Fleet Holdings up through the May update.
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# 2127
02-19-2013, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by dastahl View Post
As I stated 100s of threads before, additional Fleet Marks are coming.

Will Fleet Marks be added back to Foundry missions? Nope.

Will Fleet Marks be increased on other missions? Yes.

How soon?

As I hinted at last week, you will see changes over the next several month, but the first change will be this Thursday.

We are not detailing that change until the patch notes hit.
The thing is,no where did you mention anything about the coming patch. We were told within the next few months. One of the complaints was there was no transfer of those lost FMs prior to removing them from the foundry missions, which quite frankly should not have been difficult to achieve,nor anticipate the backlash from, the decisions made before the previous patch.
As I stated about 30 posts back, "Sorry, not good enough." This isn't just about fleet marks anymore, but an issue that runs deeper. Fleet events are not fun. Hunting for rabbits on new romulus isn't fun. Spending hours a day grinding out marks and dilithium to advance a starbase that won't see completion for years down the road is not fun.
To sum, you are correct. If it isn't fun,then why bother? Why indeed. I, personally, am done. I see clearly now the road ahead. To my fellow gamers, I wish you luck. To Mr. Stahl and crew, believe it or not I wish you luck as well. To the suits at PWE who haven't a clue what this game is to the fans and players, b!te me.
STOP THE GRIND: BRING BACK THE FUN!
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# 2128
02-19-2013, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by dastahl View Post
As I stated 100s of threads before, additional Fleet Marks are coming.
Such disconnect with the playerbase. This has gone far beyond Fleet Marks in the Foundry. Of course if your team really were reading this thread you would know that.

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Originally Posted by dastahl View Post
Will Fleet Marks be added back to Foundry missions? Nope.

Will Fleet Marks be increased on other missions? Yes.

How soon?

As I hinted at last week, you will see changes over the next several month, but the first change will be this Thursday.
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We are not detailing that change until the patch notes hit.
And we may or may not send a ferry to help you out. You'll have to wait and see.
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# 2129
02-19-2013, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by daveyny View Post
Ummm... I believe "the pettiness" was well established in this thread long before I came along.
This just shows your sheer ignorance of the true heart of the matter. Some were petty. SOME. The vast majority here are sick and tired of the grind of this game, the lack of QA, and the forced playstyle. If you actually took the time to read AND understand, you will see this for yourself.

Anyway...Power to the People! Keep fighting The Good Fight!
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# 2130
02-19-2013, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by stirling191 View Post
Recent post from another thread:
God, why didn't he repost that *here*...

Aside from the fact that it skips by all of the other concerns in this thread, it is at least a decent post and not a bunch of unsubstantiated points.
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Expressing my opinion isn't trolling but nice try. Besides, if I was you wouldn't know it ;P
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