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# 2561
02-20-2013, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by thisisoverlord View Post
Indeed a good example of exploitation is having a monopoly on an item people cherish and are addicted too then cynically milking them for all they are worth...

Oh I agree completely. I really dislike the way the game has gone, where you are led down a small hall and told you may only enter one door at time to receive one reward at a time. I would much prefer being able to play whatever content I enjoy playing to receive the reward I need at that time.

I was merely pointing out the massive fail of this patch given the OP and his subsequent posts in this, and other, threads.
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# 2562
02-20-2013, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by warbird001 View Post
But still its nice to know the power of the community. Now we just need to make them listen
about other issues too...


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it will not last and they will find away around this , proberly in season 8 or 9 but one thing i have learned here is it is only temp

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# 2563
02-20-2013, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by warbird001 View Post
But still its nice to know the power of the community. Now we just need to make them listen
about other issues too...


This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Perfect World Entertainment Community Rules and Policies . ~BranFlakes
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Sorry warbird, but this isn't a victory for the community - quite the opposite in fact
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# 2564
02-20-2013, 04:52 PM
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Well, I'd like that as much as you but I think the window for that has passed - Dan's thrown a whole bunch of Fleet Marks at Tribble but otherwise, like a petulant child that knows they've been caught doing wrong, he's remained silent.

Instead of posting to the main forums (in an unrelated thread) he should have posted here. Instead of keeping the Tribble Fleet Mark changes secret until now, he should have informed us what was the plan.

Instead of hoping we'll all be quiet and go away, he should be engaging with the community right now to ensure this sort of thing doesn't happen again.
We used to have just that. This community pretty much put an end to it.

Every time a plan was announced, the people who thought the devs should be doing something else would flame them. Every time there was a delay or problem that forced a change of plans, they would get called liars and flamed some more.

Now they hold their cards close to their chests, and I don't blame them. Hardly any of them interact with us much any more; I don't blame them for that either. I know I wouldn't post here if I were a dev; not by choice anyway.
Exploration suggestions thread - give it a read

BTW, you'd pronounce it 'Cap'n Manks'

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# 2565
02-20-2013, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by capnmanx View Post
Now they hold their cards close to their chests, and I don't blame them. Hardly any of them interact with us much any more; I don't blame them for that either. I know I wouldn't post here if I were a dev; not by choice anyway.
I can blame them.

Because they want my money - money that'd I'd love to give to them but,

half the time I beam down to First City, I end up in the Shipyard.

I can't edit any characteristics of my KDF Marauding Boff.

To use a bank terminal I have to stand on the far left or right hand side.

Switching Zones completely screws up my ground and space trays for no apparent reason for Fed and KDF.

And those are the ones off the top of my head - I'm sure everyone has a 'favorite' bug.

There should be Devs fixing this stuff - but there isn't - just new ways to get us to buy or spend Dilithium and grind for currencies to slot into the Zynga-inspired Fleet Advancement System or the Reputation stuff.

It's time this stuff got some attention - honestly, the Devs themselves give the impression that this game isn't going to be around for long because well, if we're closing up shop, why bother fixing anything?

*Edit* Oh dear lord, the sycophancy's begun
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# 2566
02-20-2013, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by capnmanx View Post
We used to have just that. This community pretty much put an end to it.

Every time a plan was announced, the people who thought the devs should be doing something else would flame them. Every time there was a delay or problem that forced a change of plans, they would get called liars and flamed some more.

Now they hold their cards close to their chests, and I don't blame them. Hardly any of them interact with us much any more; I don't blame them for that either. I know I wouldn't post here if I were a dev; not by choice anyway.
I fundamentally disagree,

It isn't the players who made poor choices about the direction in which they wanted the game to go.

In fact along the way most of us could see the trainwreck that was Season 7 coming a mile off, indeed the tribble testers warned the team but were ignored.

You can argue all you want that in the past they were open and people flamed them for it but the changes the game has taken on and the directions it has been going since the PWE deal has nothing to do with the community getting things wrong and everything to do with Cryptic getting it wrong.

Their aversion to interaction does not excuse their failure to generate a balanced and enjoyable gaming experience.
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# 2567
02-20-2013, 05:02 PM
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yeah, you guys are full of it. this was totally about fleet marks. in the end, everyone was venting about their dissatisfaction at the way cryptic handled things. but let's be clear, this all started because of the fleet marks. if it wasn't, no one would be cheering them on in the latest tribble notes.

"refer to post 2311." give me a break. this is just like every other thread that's past 3 pages: *****, nag, moan. i'm not going to wade through this cesspool of misplaced outrage from a community of gamers who don't know how good of a situation they have here on sto compared to any other good mmo.
The removal of FM's was only the "last straw"! If you think this entire thread is only about FM's then that if fine. I am one of the "majority" in here that don't agree with you and that is fine also. We are all entitled to our opinions.

So please don't try to make your opinion the only thing we are allowed to discuss in here because this thread has morphed into the overall issues with STO and how PWE/Cryptic treats us (the customers). It also is about the direction that PWE/Cryptic is taking the game, which for most of the people in here, is nothing more than a grind on the "farm" without any new fun content or even the idea of fixing the bugs and broken promises for 3 years now.

So yes, this started as a thread about FM's (by the way this was a separate thread than the other ones before it on the St. Valentine's Day Massacre Patch) but it is far from that original single minded item now!

PWE/Cryptic Where are you? Why do you NOT listen to your Customers?

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# 2568
02-20-2013, 05:10 PM
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I've played other MMOs in my time like FFXI (8 years), Guild Wars and even tried Eve. Now when I look at how they manage their games and deliver new content, it really sets a standard that Cryptic don't seem to live up to. I know Eve is quite an extreme to look at when it comes to a space MMO, but there are aspects of that game which could be utilized in a game like STO.
If you're being honest though, you have to admit that CCP's (EVE Online's) QA dept. is in worse shap them Cryptic's; and C CP isn't at all above implementing major design debacles (like the $80.00 Monacle; and the way Captain's Quarters were initially implemented back in June 2011 (Where they promised use of said Quarters would be optional - and 'ship spinning would still be available for those with lower spec hardware -- yet when it was finally implemented that wasn't the case; and it took much more then one week of feedback to get CCP to finally relent.)

I'm just saying overall (if you look at how a lot of other MMO developers handle situations like these); Cryptic isn't all that bad; and most developers have had situations where they haven't kept earlier promises etc.

(And honestly, even though I'm not a big KDF player, or Klingon fan in general; I will say that the KDF players at this point DO have a right to be upset as Cryptic HAS been stringing them along - without detailing any real 'plan' for fixing the KDF to date; and I do recall that right after teh acquisition StormShade personally posted that there WERE plans for a big KDF content patch -- that was later retracted - and that may be because PWE was saying one thing during the acquisition negotiations; yet changed their minds after <-- But either way, since that time, I do think it' bad PR when DStahl keeps teasing KDF content every season; yet they seem unable to state up front what the plan is for completing the KDF. I realize that now gthey've been claiming they will let players know what their plans are for the KDF (and any future faction) before the May update -- but givenm tenh history on all this, I'll believe it when I hear it.
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(This is one major thing I think Cryptic has handled poorly since closed beta and the original STO 2010 launch -- and again, while I'm not a Klingon fan (I have one KDF character - Level 50 Eng; and while I do play him; and have experienced all the KDF content; I will not create another KDF alt until I know the plans for the faction's future); I do sympathize and say that Cryptic has not treated that portion of the fanbase well when it comes to honest/upfront info about the future of the KDF faction. In this area Cryptic needs to stop promising, and start delivering.)
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# 2569
02-20-2013, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by thisisoverlord View Post
I fundamentally disagree,

It isn't the players who made poor choices about the direction in which they wanted the game to go.

In fact along the way most of us could see the trainwreck that was Season 7 coming a mile off, indeed the tribble testers warned the team but were ignored.

You can argue all you want that in the past they were open and people flamed them for it but the changes the game has taken on and the directions it has been going since the PWE deal has nothing to do with the community getting things wrong and everything to do with Cryptic getting it wrong.

Their aversion to interaction does not excuse their failure to generate a balanced and enjoyable gaming experience.
Yes I remember the concerns and feedbacks given with S7 hitting Tribble. There was a great many of them, and all ignored. Unfortunately since Pakled World took over, listening to the players went out the window. Frankly any flaming they get now for not listening to us, the users about what we want to see in the game, what we want out of it, and what we want FIXED is more then fully deserved...

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# 2570
02-20-2013, 05:12 PM
Well, this is a good thing to do adding Fleet Mark's into other areas as suggested in this thread over various pages prior. Good job for that, I just don't understand why we have to go through this melodrama when it's so obvious that there is a mistake/problem, and there are strategic ways to go about mending it.

Yes, there is more wrong with the game than this Fleet Mark fiasco and the Valentine's Day Massacre patch. Hopefully we will be able to touch on those issues individually with the cooperative efforts of the powers that be, and Dan can start to engage the community directly like he used to, when things didn't get to this point before they were addressed. I hope that this thread has been a catalyst for future relations on how to not handle issues similar. Season 7 and now this should be pinnacle examples.

Thank you to everyone who posted ideas, suggestions, alternatives, and even the complaints a lot of which had very valid justification behind them and it shows people DO care - taking the time to write a multiple paragraph long post with the above means people give a ****. If they didn't, it wouldn't make them upset, and they wouldn't bother coming here or logging in at all - they would just disappear.
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