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Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 481
02-15-2013, 06:37 AM
I usually spend around $80 per month on this game to help my fleet, but I won't be giving them anymore money until they actually LISTEN to the customers and give us what we want. I don't recall ever seeing a single player request to take the fun out of earning fleet marks. Never once did I see a player say "Please, Dan. Please remove the Fleet Marks from the Foundry! I feel it is just too enjoyable to earn fleet marks. I want to go back to the days where I actually fell asleep during queues, awakening to find myself ramming the edge of the map at full speed."
Formerly known as Khannnnn
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Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 773
# 482
02-15-2013, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by sunfrancks View Post
Cryptic have already surpassed that milestone. We are in new territory levels of stupidity for an MMO company
No we're not.

Whenever Cryptic pulls one of their abrupt but significant changes, there's rage for a couple of weeks. Then they produce a solution that ultimately calms everyone down so the enraged shouting becomes at worst an annoyed murmur.

In Star Wars Galaxies, we saw "Roll back to Pre-NGE!" posts and rants about how the game used to be all the way up to the end, almost. At least here, Cryptic manages to enact effective damage control. But SOE put forth no effort at damage control. In fact, there was one SOE Dev who went down in infamy for his post about "Forum posters who are players vs poster who play the forums" in which he pretty much outright ridiculed those in the community who were dis-satisfied with the state of the game. That brush fire became an inferno that lasted for MONTHS.

This is the latest speedbump on the STO highway that will fade into memory and insignificance in time. It is not the end of the world. If you feel otherwise, then maybe you should take a break, breathe some fresh air, spend some time away from the forum drama and then come back with a fresh perspective. It's not worth developing an ulcer over.
I am of the opinion that Cryptic cannot because PWE will not...
Commander
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 289
# 483
02-15-2013, 06:45 AM
I was the leader of an all Bounty Hunter guild, 50 strong. We were rolling in credits and had crafter alts and our own city so close to the Emperor's Retreat on Naboo that we used it's spaceport for our own.

We all deleted our toons and quit the day of the NGE.

Good times.
"Dammit J'mpok! I'm a Warrior, not a Worrier!"

- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.
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Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 279
# 484
02-15-2013, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by sirsitsalot View Post
I know Dan's actual track record. But I also know that the buck doesn't really stop with Dan. The Craptastic grindfest that STO has become is a PWE directive, because that is the sort of thing PWE does. Dan may monitor the metrics of who is doing what and how much of this reward is being earned from that content. But PWE monitors the actual bottom line. And if PWE picks up the phone and calls Jack Emmert and breaths down his neck over the few cents loss in this or that field, Jack Emmert is going to call Dan Stahl and breathe down his neck over it.

Yes, Dan makes the calls on what to do, but PWE defines the criteria he must follow for making the calls.
Hmmm, So either Dan is lying to us or you're mistaken.

Dan repeatedly tells us that the book stops with him and that he makes all the decisions.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 89
# 485
02-15-2013, 06:47 AM
Don't worry if some people give up...just throw more lockboxes and dilithium sinks to squeeze $$ from the ones who don't.
How about adding incentive for more fleet group play by giving a bonus FM reward for actually teaming with fleet members during FM missions. It could work on regular content like patrols and explore strange new worlds too. Would be nice for your fleet to actually explore space again. The content is already there and collecting dust.
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# 486
02-15-2013, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by solomace View Post
Hmmm, So either Dan is lying to us or you're mistaken.

Dan repeatedly tells us that the book stops with him and that he makes all the decisions.
Book' em, Danno!

Book'em all!
"Dammit J'mpok! I'm a Warrior, not a Worrier!"

- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.
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# 487
02-15-2013, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by sirsitsalot View Post
No we're not.

Whenever Cryptic pulls one of their abrupt but significant changes, there's rage for a couple of weeks. Then they produce a solution that ultimately calms everyone down so the enraged shouting becomes at worst an annoyed murmur.

In Star Wars Galaxies, we saw "Roll back to Pre-NGE!" posts and rants about how the game used to be all the way up to the end, almost. At least here, Cryptic manages to enact effective damage control. But SOE put forth no effort at damage control. In fact, there was one SOE Dev who went down in infamy for his post about "Forum posters who are players vs poster who play the forums" in which he pretty much outright ridiculed those in the community who were dis-satisfied with the state of the game. That brush fire became an inferno that lasted for MONTHS.

This is the latest speedbump on the STO highway that will fade into memory and insignificance in time. It is not the end of the world. If you feel otherwise, then maybe you should take a break, breathe some fresh air, spend some time away from the forum drama and then come back with a fresh perspective. It's not worth developing an ulcer over.
You on Red Bull or something? I admire the strength it must take to lift those pom poms of yours...
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Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,333
# 488
02-15-2013, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by dastahl View Post
Average max level player refining per day is nowhere near the cap yet. Once the average Dilithium refined per day by max level players gets closer to the cap, we'll consider it.
My question is in what way you are arriving to this?

What formula are you using?

What is the criteria for an "average user"? Is it the average of the sum of all registered players of the game or actual active players determined by play hours in a day/week/month?



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Originally Posted by dastahl View Post
There are two additional big changes coming in May that will greatly improve a Fleet's abilities to complete projects, I'm just not at liberty to talk about them yet.

We have a small fleet ourselves (with no cheaty dev accounts either) and we're only at T3 - so we understand how challenging it can be if everyone isn't playing the right content or contributing.

We are beginning the tuning process that will get us to where we want to be for the big May update and that includes adding new things and balancing existing things.

Fleet Marks will becoming common rewards for "Group Queued Gameplay" whereas Dilithium will be focused on more solo Mission Gameplay.

We appreciate that there is frustration about losing the Fleet Marks in the Foundry, but Fleet Marks were never intended for solo based gameplay.

Balancing is no fun, but we hear the suggestions that trying to get in the groove with a standard set of content is important. That is where we are trying to go without horking the economy.

And to answer the naysayers - STO had its best month of growth ever and the game is only going to get bigger, expecially this summer. We do look at the economy reports every day. Players ARE earning more Dilithium AND more Fleet Marks than they ever have.
I don't know if its nay-saying or not. One of the areas where we have our perception of activity is our fellow online friends activity. I have been here since Beta and the vast majority of people on my friends list are long since vanished. Since the Fleet SB missions, my fleet went from an active fleet with at least ten guys (many with lifetime subscriptions) at a time on Team Speak yukking it up and having a good time playing the game, to a virtual ghost town with occasional contact of same of the die-hards and a few newer guys weve been able to bring in. One of the key topics mentioned is the "Grind-Fest" and how we miss playing PvP but we don't have the competitive gear to match the larger fleet players. Were are still at level 8 Tier 2 with one guy contributing close to 7 mill and three others at about 2 million or more each.

We do have a FM, Dil' problem in our fleet. I know the special mining rights items will put me in a severe refining bottleneck should I do that AND the STF's .

Another area we are having a problem with is Duty Officers, unless we blow our EC in the exchange, it take us about two to three weeks to pick up the required DOFFS needed to complete a "mission"

While we are on about DOFFs, who's bright idea was it to increase the dil' prices for the "reassign under performing officers" missions? 2,500 dilithium AND 5 uncommon's to get a random Rare?

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Originally Posted by dastahl View Post
Removing the Marks from the Foundry needed to happen, and since it was scheduled to come off after the Anniversary, it did. We will get Fleet Marks back into more appropriate content quickly as we did after Season 7 launch.
I can understand why you did it and don't blame you for it. It probably should have been mentioned that it was for the Anniversary period only. If it was, I apologize, but have yet to find it in my travels (maybe bigger font in neon lights would be helpfull? )

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Originally Posted by dastahl View Post
I appreciate that we don't always make good decisions. We do listen to feedback and we do adjust in order to make things better for everyone.
People are people and things happen in relation to decisions. At them moment we actually see less of the devs than when the game was new. Branflakes is a good guy and we appreciate his input, but we also miss direct feedback from the dev's. There are many forums where people really can't figure out what is going on in relation to what the system is and how things (consoles, boff, doffs) really work, or bugs that we are waiting forever to hear responses back on, can we get some more face time from Devs to support Bran alittle bit more?
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# 489
02-15-2013, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by sirsitsalot View Post
No we're not.

Whenever Cryptic pulls one of their abrupt but significant changes, there's rage for a couple of weeks. Then they produce a solution that ultimately calms everyone down so the enraged shouting becomes at worst an annoyed murmur.

In Star Wars Galaxies, we saw "Roll back to Pre-NGE!" posts and rants about how the game used to be all the way up to the end, almost. At least here, Cryptic manages to enact effective damage control. But SOE put forth no effort at damage control. In fact, there was one SOE Dev who went down in infamy for his post about "Forum posters who are players vs poster who play the forums" in which he pretty much outright ridiculed those in the community who were dis-satisfied with the state of the game. That brush fire became an inferno that lasted for MONTHS.

This is the latest speedbump on the STO highway that will fade into memory and insignificance in time. It is not the end of the world. If you feel otherwise, then maybe you should take a break, breathe some fresh air, spend some time away from the forum drama and then come back with a fresh perspective. It's not worth developing an ulcer over.
Um, the point is, Cryptic keep doing this over and over again. They never learn, in which case are far worse than SOE in that respect....

The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over expecting different results. This is what Cryptic are, insane.

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Posts: 553
# 490
02-15-2013, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by sirsitsalot View Post
This is the latest speedbump on the STO highway that will fade into memory and insignificance in time.
And this is why they keep doing crap like this. Too many people willing to let mediocrity slide. Few actually want to continue to hold the devs accountible.

Except maybe now. This actually maybe the straw that broke the camel's back. People just have to keep it up and hold stupidity like this accountable.
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