Go Back   Star Trek Online > Feedback > Klingon Fleetyards
Login

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Lieutenant
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 88
Not sure where to put this, aside from here since it makes more sense than other subforums.

So yeah, I finally got around to rolling a Gorn Science captain, it makes sense given what the Gorn have offered the KDF in terms of ships and whatnot. The Birds of Prey, nice as they are, shouldn't be a replacement for a real science vessel. I suppose Cryptic could add a Tier 2 Support Vessel and turn all the current Support Vessels (all Gorn-made, mind you) into ships you can get for free every 10 levels, but the C-Store versions could have a Tac/Eng Boff slot made universal, have slightly better +Aux power, maybe 100-150 extra crew and an ability. The current ones, the C-store versions, would be copied and the new copies made into the free versions (with a new one added for Tier 2, same for a C-store version), while the originals purchased with ZEN would have a few minor tweaks to be an improvement over the free support vessels.

That's pretty much the extent of it really, no need to go changing a ZEN-purchased item and give KDF some much-needed science vessels (or close enough) that science captains can make use of. Yeah yeah, then we'd have four categories of free ships to choose from over Federation, but the Birds of Prey are more of a pseudo-jack-of-all-trades Ship that can't fill any one role perfectly.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,879
# 2
06-10-2013, 05:09 AM
Agreed, there needs to be a free KDF science ship (that isn't a Vo'quv). The concept of a "scout raptor" has been tossed around on this forum before.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,268
# 3
06-10-2013, 05:45 AM
Yeah, it's well-known that the KDF has traditionally been weak on science options. At this time, your best bet is to just jury-rig some sort of sci BoP setup or buy the relatively mediocre C-store/Fleetship science options.

What makes the weakness even more onerous is that the Federation also has the edge in escorts (something that makes little sense, given that the Federation has never had a strong canon emphasis on attack-focused ships). Escorts and science ships are the two big important ship roles in PvP right now, with cruisers and carriers in a support role.
Empire Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,251
# 4
06-10-2013, 11:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by timezarg View Post
Yeah, it's well-known that the KDF has traditionally been weak on science options. At this time, your best bet is to just jury-rig some sort of sci BoP setup or buy the relatively mediocre C-store/Fleetship science options.

What makes the weakness even more onerous is that the Federation also has the edge in escorts (something that makes little sense, given that the Federation has never had a strong canon emphasis on attack-focused ships). Escorts and science ships are the two big important ship roles in PvP right now, with cruisers and carriers in a support role.
I totally agree it makes no sense, it's about time the KDF got some good science options, so sick of leaving my science officer in mothballs as other than carrier options there is nothing really viable for a science officer to fly.

Considering the big fuss last year about the Fed's not having carriers and how they have a couple, I think it's time the KDF get some good science ships to return the favor.

All the Gorn ships are really sub-standard, the lvl 40 one is actually a 99% copy of the Federation Deep Space Science vessel they get for free. That ship really needs a huge buff to make it viable again at end-game, and worth the Zen to buy it.

No true or decent science ships on the KDF side, well it's just wrong.

It hurts the KDF, it hurts the game the only thing it doesn't hurt is players wallets as they stay shut!
Quote:
Originally Posted by macronius View Post
Cryptic is sloppy. Breaking News at 11. This is what happens when there is no outline or plan and you just make up **** as you go along.
Quote:
Originally Posted by shredder75 View Post
We can tell our great grandchildren, "In my day, our cloaks were so sensitive that even dialogue broke them and we couldn't change our clothes!"
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 192
# 5
06-11-2013, 12:14 AM
from what i've read the mirror BattleCruiser is a half decent sci ship...and its cheap...

you can buy it from the exchange for about couple hundred thousand usually

just search for "battlecruiser" in the "reward packs" section.

http://sto.gamepedia.com/Mirror_Univ...Battle_Cruiser

you can only use the mirror and Vor'cha skin without splashing cash but its still a classic canon KDF ship and although you don't have sci ship functions it still looks to be a decent ship to play around with especially if you have, intend to get or buy some of the more interesting universal consoles around...

i bought one today for my BOP captain just for something to muck around with...

Last edited by oldkilldare; 06-11-2013 at 12:34 AM.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,260
# 6
06-12-2013, 12:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldkilldare View Post
from what i've read the mirror BattleCruiser is a half decent sci ship...and its cheap...

you can buy it from the exchange for about couple hundred thousand usually

just search for "battlecruiser" in the "reward packs" section.

http://sto.gamepedia.com/Mirror_Univ...Battle_Cruiser

you can only use the mirror and Vor'cha skin without splashing cash but its still a classic canon KDF ship and although you don't have sci ship functions it still looks to be a decent ship to play around with especially if you have, intend to get or buy some of the more interesting universal consoles around...

i bought one today for my BOP captain just for something to muck around with...
The Mirror Vor'Cha is a horrible choice for a science vessel. Lt and Ens SCI BOFF stations, and only 2 SCI Console Slots. You will not do much with that, and not to mention the strength of the SCI skills you do use will be weak. 2 SCI Console Slots don't leave much room for buffing SCI abilities.
Commander
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 363
# 7
06-13-2013, 02:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by majesticmsfc View Post
I totally agree it makes no sense, it's about time the KDF got some good science options, so sick of leaving my science officer in mothballs as other than carrier options there is nothing really viable for a science officer to fly.

Considering the big fuss last year about the Fed's not having carriers and how they have a couple, I think it's time the KDF get some good science ships to return the favor.

All the Gorn ships are really sub-standard, the lvl 40 one is actually a 99% copy of the Federation Deep Space Science vessel they get for free. That ship really needs a huge buff to make it viable again at end-game, and worth the Zen to buy it.

No true or decent science ships on the KDF side, well it's just wrong.

It hurts the KDF, it hurts the game the only thing it doesn't hurt is players wallets as they stay shut!
There are no true or decent carriers on the Fed side. The fleet HEC and Vesta are light carriers, not true carriers. The Atrox only has 9 console slots.

Science vessels in general are garbage. The Vesta is heralded as a great sci vessel because its technically a light carrier that also comes with aux weaponry. Some people think the Romulan Ha'nom is good, but its -40 subsystem power means it won't have enough juice to power up sci abilities without sacrificiing time and damage. The Adapted Battle Cruiser can be turned into one of the best sci vessels in the game, but its still technically a battle cruiser.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,268
# 8
06-14-2013, 01:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ruminate00 View Post
There are no true or decent carriers on the Fed side. The fleet HEC and Vesta are light carriers, not true carriers. The Atrox only has 9 console slots.

Science vessels in general are garbage. The Vesta is heralded as a great sci vessel because its technically a light carrier that also comes with aux weaponry. Some people think the Romulan Ha'nom is good, but its -40 subsystem power means it won't have enough juice to power up sci abilities without sacrificiing time and damage. The Adapted Battle Cruiser can be turned into one of the best sci vessels in the game, but its still technically a battle cruiser.
Well, they are limited in what they can do in PvE, I'll agree on that. They aren't garbage in PvP, though. They make or break battles, especially if there's a science officer at the helm (subnuke and sensor scan). Excellent support ships, debuffers, and are great at driving BoPs and defense-weak raptors off.
Empire Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 741
# 9
06-14-2013, 11:36 AM
The power issues with the Romulan SCI war bird are just not an issue with the right character build on the captain to offset that. Having one of the older BOFF's with the efficient attribute (if it hasn't been retconed out of existance yet) will off set that to a great deal also. The romulan ship also has those singularity powers besides.. people are still learning how to tune for those.. as they figure it out they will become much more of a "Oh crap RUN!" sort of ship to run into in PvP, and a "Say good night Gracy" in PvE.

The Fed Vesta how ever is a nasty little bugger. The ability to mount cannons, and the addition of a pet (carrier) gives it a great deal of versatality.

The Romulan ship is currently IMO the best sci ship in the game..fairly tough, decent turn mode, heavy shields, mounts cannon, has singularity powers to back up its sci abilities..

Try not to think of the interacation between the singularity left froma rom ship pulling a singularity jump, and laying a Tacyons rift etc on you.. oh, and if that captain is a snecky wrotten bugger like me, he does a battle pass on you and drops warp plasma besides...

At that point it's a given that your having a bad day.

But yes.. the only Klingon science ship is the big carrier...'cept its not a science ship.. its a big carrier... and while a lovely ship in its own right... we KDF types want a Klingon Science ship that can run with raiders, raptors, destroyers, and battlecruisers.

Yes there are options in the C-store.. that are not as capable as thier fed counterparts..other then console abilities.. I like the gorn ships.. but it doesn't feel right for one of my non gorn characters to be commanding one.. its just a matter of personal taste, but apparently..I'm in no way alone..

There is a great deal of room for expansion of ships availible to KDF allied races.. but the Klingon line up needs its science ships..

And sure.. no issues with them creating more of the Starfleet allied ships..
Release 8.5 "STO The Next Generation"

Let the happy old bug stomping commence, along with refinement toward enhancing each factions play experience!
Captain
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 4,391
# 10
06-14-2013, 11:59 AM
I'm not bothered by it but then again I looked at the lineup before I made a KDF sci captain.

And its kind of balanced now--KDF doesnt have free Sci, but (1) they do have the whole BoP line, and (2) Fed doesnt get any free carriers. Not even mentioning DHCs and cloaking. Really, KDF is supposed to be a bunch of irrational, ill-tempered, poorly-mannered meatheads, why would they be flying science ships.

Okay lets homogenize the factions some more. Science ships for KDF, DHCs and cloaks for Fed. No? Yes?

Best suggestion so far is for the C-Store ships to get bumped a little. Power creep has left all the older c-store sci vessels wanting.
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:42 PM.