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02-16-2013, 06:47 PM
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That is an amazingly detailed background! I haven't finished reading it all yet, but it's very well-written so far.
I've been mulling it over for about 15 years, so have had plenty of time to flesh out all the major points in his life, and some of the more trivial ones too

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And I may take you up on that offer! There are all kinds of story elements that are hard to write about from Azera's perspective, and having Marcus Kane, a Borg specialist who's been studying them since the Hansens' days, uncovering the truth and presenting it to Starfleet Command would be really fun to write.
In the end, I felt there wasn't anything more I could do with the character, and following the 30 year time jump of the timeline, decided to retire the crew of the Endeavour and permanently kill him off (although I want to still explore previous events from points of his life before his death) so am more than happy to share the character if he would be of help with the development of yours, and it would be interesting to see him brought to life by another writer Equally, you might like to read this biography of the follow-on character, as it shows not only a different perspective on some of Kane's relationships, but might also coincide with Azera's time at the Academy (equally, it might not, as I'm not much of a mathmagician, but it will still give more insights into Marcus) which could equally be of help to your writing

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02-16-2013, 07:33 PM
Very nice trip through the game from an interesting perspective!

Just curious...is there a pic of this character anywhere? I'd be very interested to know how you envision Species 1.
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02-18-2013, 04:08 PM
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In the end, I felt there wasn't anything more I could do with the character, and following the 30 year time jump of the timeline, decided to retire the crew of the Endeavour and permanently kill him off (although I want to still explore previous events from points of his life before his death) so am more than happy to share the character if he would be of help with the development of yours, and it would be interesting to see him brought to life by another writer
Sorry I vanished for a bit! I started writing a story with Marcus as the main character that fleshes out the plot elements in her background, and I kept writing... and kept writing... and wrote through a caffeine-fueled night of Toonami... and also wrote through most of last night, so I'm kind of loopy at the moment.

I'll post that story in a separate thread, since the sheer length of it would break this one completely. It only touches briefly on Marcus's past with the Hansens and focuses more on him as an investigator and the voice of reason, but I hope you'll enjoy how he's written - thank you for lending him out that way! The timeline doesn't quite fit together since I have him alive and well as the head of Starfleet Intelligence in the present day, but this is no time to be arguing about time, we don't have the time ...what was I saying?

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=558361

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Very nice trip through the game from an interesting perspective!

Just curious...is there a pic of this character anywhere? I'd be very interested to know how you envision Species 1.
Thanks! And sure, there's a few screenshots below. I started with the idea that Hugh and the other human-like Borg are more or less Species 1. That's seriously debatable, but it's a place to visually begin. They'd look basically human, with smooth, naturally pale faces and dark eyes that the assimilation process reduces to chalk-white skin and black eyes, and they'd have small, unobtrusive ears since, as drones, they don't have exposed ears and there's no sign of their ears having extended bases like the Ocampans or Vorta.

From there, it just became a matter of making her look at once young, innocent, as seemingly human as the old TNG-era Borg would look without their implants, but with a few difference to make it clear she's not human. Her dark eyes are a dark violet color that shows up in the right lighting, her hair is a faded pink hue that's not a natural color for humans, and her ears are external eardrums ringed with cartilage that she deliberately hides under her hair, since she grew up on Earth and is embarrassed by them.

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02-18-2013, 04:35 PM
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Sorry I vanished for a bit! I started writing a story with Marcus as the main character that fleshes out the plot elements in her background, and I kept writing... and kept writing... and wrote through a caffeine-fueled night of Toonami... and also wrote through most of last night, so I'm kind of loopy at the moment.
No worries, I certainly know that feeling, as I do my best writing at night as well, much to my wife's annoyance...

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I'll post that story in a separate thread, since the sheer length of it would break this one completely. It only touches briefly on Marcus's past with the Hansens and focuses more on him as an investigator and the voice of reason, but I hope you'll enjoy how he's written - thank you for lending him out that way! The timeline doesn't quite fit together since I have him alive and well as the head of Starfleet Intelligence in the present day, but this is no time to be arguing about time, we don't have the time ...what was I saying?

Future edit: Link to that story will go here once it's posted!
Cool, I'll look forward to reading it With regard the timeline, don't forget, Marcus is only very recently deceased, there's no reason why what you've written couldn't've taken place immediately prior to his 'final voyage', so to speak, so I'm sure it'll be fine You're more than welcome, I'm glad he's been able to be of some use, and really looking forward to seeing how you've written him Equally, I decided to add a few additional details to his bio to cover his near-assimilation during his investigation of the hardware removed from Captain Picard, and added a mission with his childhood friend, Selek, as a potential introduction for those characters at a future, or even past, story...

Awesome to see how Azera looks as well
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02-18-2013, 05:05 PM
Why is it the best ideas only pop into your head after midnight?

The story's all set! I tried to be vague on Marcus's personality: he can be friendly and informal, can also have a temper under the right circumstances, is an expert on the Borg who's a little haunted by the Hansens' fate, and is a dedicated Starfleet officer who believes in the Federation's ideals. He may even seem a little too formal in this story, but it's a serious situation, and I didn't want to second-guess what his personal relationships with the NPC admirals might be or how he acts when he's not on the clock.

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Why is it the best ideas only pop into your head after midnight?
When I wronte the Haunting of Deck 13 LC, it took me about 2 hours initially, but then browser crashes forced me to re-write it two or three times, and I was up till 5am >_< I knew that if I went to sleep, I'd lose what I'd originally intended to write, and even then, it still took edit revisions to re-capture the feel of the original piece I wrote >_<

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The story's all set!
Absolutely awesome, I was engrossed all the way through, even though I knew what was coming, it was really nicely done

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I tried to be vague on Marcus's personality: he can be friendly and informal, can also have a temper under the right circumstances, is an expert on the Borg who's a little haunted by the Hansens' fate, and is a dedicated Starfleet officer who believes in the Federation's ideals. He may even seem a little too formal in this story, but it's a serious situation, and I didn't want to second-guess what his personal relationships with the NPC admirals might be or how he acts when he's not on the clock.
You wrote Marcus exactly as I'd always envisaged ^_^ The formality was fine, as don't forget, he spent the formative years of his childhood on Vulcan, and underwent Vulcan emotional training to overcome the grief of his mothers death: His emotional responses would appear 'flattened' compared to other Humans, other than the occasional outburst of temper, so that level of formality was perfect, as was the casual interaction with the shipyard mechanic The only addition/edit I would suggest, would be to add "his mother's voice." to the end of the sentence before he recalls the nursery rhyme, just to reinforce the extremely basic foundation of education which the rhymes formed... And when Marcus hits his commbadge, have him name the ship (your choice of starship) which he's commandeered for the mission... I really liked how Azera refers to the machine-priests, it brought me to mind of the Necromongers in the Chronicles of Riddick, and how they would have initially been 'converting appostates' rather than assimilating, an absolutely perfect imagining for how the Borg began ^_^

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I just realized that if the investigation of the pod took place in 2412, it would be 58 years since the Hansens vanished

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02-19-2013, 04:44 AM
I wish I had longer to write this morning, but thank you for reading it and for the feedback, and I'm glad you liked his character! I'll see if I can change those things really quick: I like the mother and ship idea (I worried about what to call the ship and eventually just went "bridge" to dodge it), and I'm glad you caught the date about the Hansens. Time since they vanished to Voyager plus time from Voyager to STO leads to much mental confusion late at night.

I haven't seen the second Riddick movie yet, though I really should, as many people as I trust have said that it's really good. But yep, they're probably along very similar lines. The Borg in general, and the Borg Queen in particular, talk in very religious terms sometimes about "perfection" and how they "bring order to chaos," and how they want to convert everyone to their way of life for their own good. I thought it'd be interesting if, long ago, that belief and its division between the Collective and the rest of their species manifested as a kind of cybernetic crusade or inquisition.

And ouch ouch ouch... I can sympathize completely. You spend an hour or more typing in a burst of creativity, the computer kills it and you're just left sitting there in a daze and going "I will never remember any of that again." I'm glad you mostly got it back, though! And by the way, having read over almost all of your background for Marcus - there's not just enough story for a novel, you could write a whole series of them, with each and every one of those career stages as a book.

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02-19-2013, 06:16 AM
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I wish I had longer to write this morning, but thank you for reading it and for the feedback, and I'm glad you liked his character! I'll see if I can change those things really quick: I like the mother and ship idea (I worried about what to call the ship and eventually just went "bridge" to dodge it), and I'm glad you caught the date about the Hansens. Time since they vanished to Voyager plus time from Voyager to STO leads to much mental confusion late at night.
I think the length was just right, and each part, the investigation, the analysis, and the meeting, all flowed to the perfect length (as did the final conversation between Azera and Marcus) And absolutely, it was fantastic to see Marcus as a living character in someone else's hands, rather than just a puppet with me pulling the strings I worried that after some of the feedback on his background, he was too much of a Mary Sue, part of the reason why I killed him off, but to see him being written by someone else, the investigative genius, the lack of pomposity with his rank, they were all exactly as I'd always imagined him to be, and seemed to work perfectly as a plausible character, so thankyou for bring him to life so perfectly ^_^

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I haven't seen the second Riddick movie yet, though I really should, as many people as I trust have said that it's really good. But yep, they're probably along very similar lines. The Borg in general, and the Borg Queen in particular, talk in very religious terms sometimes about "perfection" and how they "bring order to chaos," and how they want to convert everyone to their way of life for their own good. I thought it'd be interesting if, long ago, that belief and its division between the Collective and the rest of their species manifested as a kind of cybernetic crusade or inquisition.
As films go, it's nothing special, although I would say it's worth watching if a fan of Pitch Black/Riddick, but mostly, it's the Necromongers which are worth the look for the reference, as they are so similar to the Borg in terms of practice. It is very easy to imagine a society before the Collective became fully cybernetic that had a caste of machine-priests who eventually take over completely, somewhat like the mentats, the Human Computers, in the Dune universe... If you watch David Lynch's Dune, what is seen of Giedi Prime at the beginning, made me think that that is probably what the Borg homeworld would be like: Dark, polluted, heavily industrialized, and with cybernetic augmentation which most other species would consider vile, and which even ordinary citizens would find terrifying, before they rise to power and the society completely embraces the synthetic...

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And ouch ouch ouch... I can sympathize completely. You spend an hour or more typing in a burst of creativity, the computer kills it and you're just left sitting there in a daze and going "I will never remember any of that again." I'm glad you mostly got it back, though!
Yup, not fun at all, but I knew that if I didn't re-do it, I would have either lost the flow of the story, or even passed on the LC completely... I think it was worth doing though ^_^

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And by the way, having read over almost all of your background for Marcus - there's not just enough story for a novel, you could write a whole series of them, with each and every one of those career stages as a book.
You definitely got the essence of his character, even if you haven't read the entire biography ^_^ Originally, I planned to write him as a guest Borg Specialist in a DS-9 manuscript I had planned but never completed, and started with a few basic notes such as his immortality, and having been an Academy classmate of Riker. As the series of Voyager progressed, and the dates for the Hansen's disappearance filtered through, it seemed a reasonable suggestion that Magnus lectured at the Academy to be given access to the Raven, and the dates would have coincided with Marcus' freshman year, so I just decided to go for it... I thought it was a really nice touch when you had Marcus mention Annika Hansen by name, as having known her parents as well as he did, he probably would have contacted her, or been contacted by her, at some point after Voyager's return to the Alpha Quadrant, and he would indeed be one of the few people to think of her as Annika, rather than Seven... If I was to ever write Marcus' story fully, yes, it probably would need a series of novels to cover fully, the only problem would be either having the permissions to use the TrekVerse, or altering enough details to be considered unique, such as Commonwealth of United Systems, rather than United Federation of Planets, but I think under such a writing, it would simply read as derivative, rather than set in the TrekVerse
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I think the length was just right, and each part, the investigation, the analysis, and the meeting, all flowed to the perfect length (as did the final conversation between Azera and Marcus) And absolutely, it was fantastic to see Marcus as a living character in someone else's hands, rather than just a puppet with me pulling the strings I worried that after some of the feedback on his background, he was too much of a Mary Sue, part of the reason why I killed him off, but to see him being written by someone else, the investigative genius, the lack of pomposity with his rank, they were all exactly as I'd always imagined him to be, and seemed to work perfectly as a plausible character, so thankyou for bring him to life so perfectly ^_^
I'm glad to have brought him to life so well, and that you liked it! He really was the one crucial thing missing from the bits and pieces of her origin story I'd had floating around in my mind: a single smart, likeable and down-to-earth protagonist who'd unravel the mystery and decide what to do should do with it. I'd vaguely considered writing her bio into a bigger story a few times, but without a character like Marcus leading the way, it'd just never have worked very well. This was actually the first Star Trek fanfic I've ever written: your bio of Marcus did a great job of explaining the heart of his character and what he's all about, so the biggest challenge was just writing technical stuff that's both faithful to the canon and really means something.

Mary Sues are a much-villified trope, but I think it all depends on what we're aiming for with them. If I were writing a serious story that's meant to be a living, breathing world all its own, then I'd be very careful about fleshing out a very complex, realistic character who doesn't overshadow the story she's in. But for a fun romp in an RP setting, why not make a character who has a little bit of wish-fulfillment? If everyone was too self-conscious to write characters who are handsome, brilliant, charismatic, quirky, immortal, superhuman and totally dominate the universe... well, we'd never have had Doctor Who.

And I know what you mean about feeling like a puppeteer: the bad thing about writing is that you can never be surprised by your own plot twists precisely because you're the one who wrote them all. Everything that happens to our characters happened because we thought it'd be interesting (or, when it comes to an MMO, because the game said so in a mission). The best we can do is let other people read the stories and see what they, as readers who don't already have the whole thing mapped out in their heads, think of it.

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As films go, it's nothing special, although I would say it's worth watching if a fan of Pitch Black/Riddick, but mostly, it's the Necromongers which are worth the look for the reference, as they are so similar to the Borg in terms of practice. It is very easy to imagine a society before the Collective became fully cybernetic that had a caste of machine-priests who eventually take over completely, somewhat like the mentats, the Human Computers, in the Dune universe... If you watch David Lynch's Dune, what is seen of Giedi Prime at the beginning, made me think that that is probably what the Borg homeworld would be like: Dark, polluted, heavily industrialized, and with cybernetic augmentation which most other species would consider vile, and which even ordinary citizens would find terrifying, before they rise to power and the society completely embraces the synthetic...
It's the genre mix of Conan-style fantasy in a deep-space setting that a lot of my friends have really praised, and it looks interesting from the trailers, screenshots and reviews I've read, especially since Pitch Black was such a straightforward sci-fi movie. The critics aren't fans, which originally put me off from watching it, but some movies just weren't made for critics.

I've always imagined the Borg homeworld's now an obscure, abandoned world buried in the unreachable depths of Borg space, but I could see it being exactly that way right before they left, a Borg empire that stretched across every inch of the planet and consumed it entirely before gradually giving way to the cubes and unicomplexes. And I definitely like the idea of the Borg's humanoid society having gradually become that way over many years, of having "evolved to include the synthetic" as the Queen said, rather than the quick, catastrophic events that the non-canon stories tend to suggest.

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Yup, not fun at all, but I knew that if I didn't re-do it, I would have either lost the flow of the story, or even passed on the LC completely... I think it was worth doing though ^_^
Okay, I admit it, I had to turn to Google to realize what LC means. But that sounds like a promising topic - you've helped me pick my next reading project!

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You definitely got the essence of his character, even if you haven't read the entire biography ^_^ Originally, I planned to write him as a guest Borg Specialist in a DS-9 manuscript I had planned but never completed, and started with a few basic notes such as his immortality, and having been an Academy classmate of Riker. As the series of Voyager progressed, and the dates for the Hansen's disappearance filtered through, it seemed a reasonable suggestion that Magnus lectured at the Academy to be given access to the Raven, and the dates would have coincided with Marcus' freshman year, so I just decided to go for it... I thought it was a really nice touch when you had Marcus mention Annika Hansen by name, as having known her parents as well as he did, he probably would have contacted her, or been contacted by her, at some point after Voyager's return to the Alpha Quadrant, and he would indeed be one of the few people to think of her as Annika, rather than Seven... If I was to ever write Marcus' story fully, yes, it probably would need a series of novels to cover fully, the only problem would be either having the permissions to use the TrekVerse, or altering enough details to be considered unique, such as Commonwealth of United Systems, rather than United Federation of Planets, but I think under such a writing, it would simply read as derivative, rather than set in the TrekVerse
Maybe it's just the Borg fan in me talking, but it's his connection to the Hansens that captured my imagination the most, even if it was a last-minute thing. And I'm glad you noticed the way he used her name! That was exactly my thought too. For most people, she's "Seven of Nine," the strange Borg woman that Voyager brought back from the Delta Quadrant, but since he was friends with the Hansen family, for him he's "Annika," the innocent little girl that Voyager rescued from the Delta Quadrant, and I imagined he'd insist on calling her by her birth name as a way of honoring her humanity and treating her as a person.

And agreed, I think his personality and themes are tied so well into the rest of Trek that there's no way to write him outside of it without having to recreate a lot of other stuff around him. Why not bring him back as a character here in STO? If you're worried about him being a little overpowered, you could say that some of his more superhuman traits were lost when he was revived, and his connection with the other canon characters would both be less relevant and a fun angle for him in the STO era: he could tell crazy stories every now and then about this or that character and leave the rest of his crew to wonder whether he's making it up to tease them or if really happened...

(Okay, my next post will get back to the logs! It might take a day or two, but they're coming...)

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I'm glad to have brought him to life so well, and that you liked it! He really was the one crucial thing missing from the bits and pieces of her origin story I'd had floating around in my mind: a single smart, likeable and down-to-earth protagonist who'd unravel the mystery and decide what to do should do with it. I'd vaguely considered writing her bio into a bigger story a few times, but without a character like Marcus leading the way, it'd just never have worked very well. This was actually the first Star Trek fanfic I've ever written: your bio of Marcus did a great job of explaining the heart of his character and what he's all about, so the biggest challenge was just writing technical stuff that's both faithful to the canon and really means something.
The technical stuff was handled really nicely, as it was simply using the tools which were to hand realistically, rather than some 'save the day technobabble' which Trek can be guilty of. The inverting of the soundwaves, for example, such a simple thing, but highly effective, and that was the kind of thing I'd always envisaged Marcus being able to do. When you wrote about wanting to explore that aspect of Azera's profile, it just seemed to make sense that you would need a character somewhat like Marcus to undertake the investigation, and as I'd 'retired' him, it seemed only logical to offer his services, to save you from having to create another character just to for that purpose

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Mary Sues are a much-villified trope, but I think it all depends on what we're aiming for with them. If I were writing a serious story that's meant to be a living, breathing world all its own, then I'd be very careful about fleshing out a very complex, realistic character who doesn't overshadow the story she's in. But for a fun romp in an RP setting, why not make a character who has a little bit of wish-fulfillment? If everyone was too self-conscious to write characters who are handsome, brilliant, charismatic, quirky, immortal, superhuman and totally dominate the universe... well, we'd never have had Doctor Who.
I think it's a fine line, and in fanfic, it's all too common to see a Mary Sue, even though I can understand why some writers go down that route, especially when RP actively encourages it to a certain extent. I think the ironic thing is that I was scared that as Marcus was a complex character, he came across as a Mary Sue, so decided to despatch him, yet seeing him being written by another writer, as a character, he was effective and plausible, not just a two Dimensional Super Hero ^_^

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It's the genre mix of Conan-style fantasy in a deep-space setting that a lot of my friends have really praised, and it looks interesting from the trailers, screenshots and reviews I've read, especially since Pitch Black was such a straightforward sci-fi movie. The critics aren't fans, which originally put me off from watching it, but some movies just weren't made for critics.
Chronicles of Riddick is defintely such a film... It is quite watchable (if cheesy) but I think it is the Necromongers which really stand out. I'm not sure if they were based on the Borg in any way, but they certainly do make a reasonable parallel to how Species 1 went from being Species 1, to being the Borg. Equally, I rather liked the episode of Voyager which featured the Vaadwaur, and how in their time, the Borg were considered little more than an annoying eccentricity

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I've always imagined the Borg homeworld's now an obscure, abandoned world buried in the unreachable depths of Borg space, but I could see it being exactly that way right before they left, a Borg empire that stretched across every inch of the planet and consumed it entirely before gradually giving way to the cubes and unicomplexes. And I definitely like the idea of the Borg's humanoid society having gradually become that way over many years, of having "evolved to include the synthetic" as the Queen said, rather than the quick, catastrophic events that the non-canon stories tend to suggest.
Personally, I think it would have had a little of both elements... I can see the planet being something of an industrialized nightmare, where the organic population lived with a fearful knowledge of the machine priests, but only as an abstraction which would rarely be encountered in day to day life, and then some kind of event occurring which would lead to the machine priests taking over, almost like a reverse of the Butlerian Jihad in the early Dune Universe when the society turned against any kind of 'thinking machines'. What that event would have been, I wouldn't like to say, but I think that would have been what would have begun the assimilation of Species 1, and Azera's parents putting her in the pod (somewhat like Jor-El launching the pod before Krypton is destroyed, knowing that he is doomed, but that there is still hope for his son) and Species 1 then expanding to what the Vaadwaur knew of.

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Okay, I admit it, I had to turn to Google to realize what LC means. But that sounds like a promising topic - you've helped me pick my next reading project!
If you haven't read it, I hope you will enjoy the Haunting of Deck 13, it reveals a side of Marcus which would have rarely showed. And as for the Literary Challenges, I think they're a fantastic way of being challenged as a writer, by having to take on stories which one might not normally choose, they make good 'homework' ^_^

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Maybe it's just the Borg fan in me talking, but it's his connection to the Hansens that captured my imagination the most, even if it was a last-minute thing. And I'm glad you noticed the way he used her name! That was exactly my thought too. For most people, she's "Seven of Nine," the strange Borg woman that Voyager brought back from the Delta Quadrant, but since he was friends with the Hansen family, for him he's "Annika," the innocent little girl that Voyager rescued from the Delta Quadrant, and I imagined he'd insist on calling her by her birth name as a way of honoring her humanity and treating her as a person.
I think my overall goal with Marcus, was, not so much to put myself into the TrekVerse with a Mary Sue, but to create a thread which linked several elements together in what I hoped, would be a subtle and plausible way. And I'm glad that the connection to the Hansens had that effect ^_^ My thoughts were that while he'd always grown up tinkering with projects and trained as an engineer, it was working with the Hansens which would have given Marcus a topic of focus, and even through everything else that happened to him in his life, that foundation with the Borg (before they were even known by name) would have always kept coming back and getting his attention ^_^ And yes, that was my thinking exactly of the relationship between Marcus and Seven: He would simply have seen the daughter of his mentor, and I suspect, have harbored a lot of anger towards Magnus for inflicting that life upon her through his own research... I think Marcus' thoughts on what happened to Annika would have been "That didn't have to happen..."

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And agreed, I think his personality and themes are tied so well into the rest of Trek that there's no way to write him outside of it without having to recreate a lot of other stuff around him.
Absolutely so... In the Doctor Who manuscript I'm working on, while Marcus and the crew of the Endeavour feature as 'guest cast', they are modified enough to not be TrekVerse, however, that really only works as they are not being explored enough for all the subtleties of the characters (which are solely TrekVerse) to come under the microscope, so to speak. Equally, I suspect I am going to have to edit and re-write some sections, so they do not take over from the Doctor and Rose as the story's leads, merely provide springboards for them to act off of ^_^

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Why not bring him back as a character here in STO? If you're worried about him being a little overpowered, you could say that some of his more superhuman traits were lost when he was revived, and his connection with the other canon characters would both be less relevant and a fun angle for him in the STO era: he could tell crazy stories every now and then about this or that character and leave the rest of his crew to wonder whether he's making it up to tease them or if really happened...
I could do that, as there's always a way to revive an immortal. I had written him giving up his immortality as a way of 'Humanizing' him further, but I think Marcus is too much a person of the TNG/DS-9 era, and by keeping him in the STO era, is not only keeping him out of time, but blocked the chance to write other characters, so I think I made the right choice to have him killed. I do still want to explore events from his life as the opportunities arise, but I want them to be more flashbacks for the new characters, rather than his own experiences, if that makes any sense?

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