Aside from the fact that I specified 'Me and ONE other buddy' (making for two BoPs, total), that's exactly what I'm saying. Especially if that was your reaction to a decloak alphastrike. From your description, you fought two incompetent BoP pilots. They botched their alphastrike, and then farted around long enough for you to kill them.

I've taken on relatively well-known skilled players and won using BoP tactics and quick dogfighting. I disable enemies and then flense their shields and hull away. I lay down warp plasma. I time my attacks to try leaving the minimum amount of 'exposed time' out of cloak. That's what skilled BoP pilots do.

These fellows you claim to have killed probably did none of these things, and probably even attacked from the front arc like fools.

I've pulled it off, but I usually only get 1-2 tries against a sci pilot before they wise up and start paying attention to their surroundings and using sensor scans, boosting aux, etc.

Kerret is most frustrating when you have nothing but BOP's decloaking on your 6,then running away/cloaking when they find out they picked a fight with the wrong Dready.

I especially hate that advanced fire-while-cloaked cloak. I just got chased by 2 BOP's who kept firing Torps at me while cloaked/cloaking. He kept doing it from 9k out so he could dip out of my firing range until he was cloaked again.


Didn't kill me, Didn't really do any damage, it was just annoying to have this little fly trailing me like that and being able to fire while cloaked.

Flying a B'rel as a torp boat is, from the other side, also an exercise in frustration unless you're supporting someone who isn't cloaked (and can, thereby, fire their main energy weapons), and that's largely because you're never getting to the tipping point where one side or the other scores the kill.


It's just...indecisive pilot-practice. Not even GOOD pilot practice, just indecisive. That would be reason number one why, though I have B'rel available to all my KDF toons (I actually BOUGHT it..) I use the more traditional Bird of Prey type cloaking ships instead, or (on my Sci) only fly the B'rel at high-aux with sci primary as wingman to something stouter-like a Raptor pilot or Cruiser.

Have to admit, though, it's fun dropping SNB, VM3, Jam sensors and a crowd of torpedoes on a Dready, Oddy, or Vesta that's been softened up by some guy in a Vor'cha or Tor'kaht, or popping Tykens and tractoring a fool in a Kumari while my wingman-of-the-moment lays in with a Decloaking alpha, but flying the B'rel solo? forget it, the design doesn't work very well that way, so the guy who was harassing you was either testing the ship on a shake-down run, or didn't 'get' the memo on what it's actually GOOD for...

I agree, flying a B'Rel as a torp boat is fairly overrated...

*InB4 obligatory "you're doing it wrong tard" from someone whose been playing the game for 12 years and is so much smarter than me because I'm so dumb...

Not that I've tested it, but the Vesta super shield *should* be knocked out by PSW-style stuns the same way the other Vesta consoles are.

I like the ship don't get me wrong but I think it was an oversight somewhere to allow it to have only 3 fore slots, it should have had 4 like most science ships have. It's just weird imo.

Uh... what? Virtually all Sci Ships are 3/3 with Sensor Analysis.

I went back to my tactical Vesta last night with the intention of doing just PVE. As a Tac Captain I hadn't used it for months since getting my Mobius and Fleet Defiant. I have to admit, I had a lot of fun with it and of course I sneaked in a few PVP matches out of curiosity.

It's a very versatile and fun ship and the three piece console set is not only very useful but the bonus power that comes with it, along with the the Borg Tractor beam and cutting beam, etc... makes it not only fun to use but keeps enemy targets guessing as to what I am coming at them with next.

I also found that, in PVP especially, Pugging it has taught me not many players even try to heal escorts. I usually do some of the healing in my Mobius or even Defiant (as limited as it is obviously - Hazard Emitters and Extend Shields ). So going in with a ship that comes with so many ways to heal and to be effective as well was great. This is especially true of some of the BOFF skills I rarely ever see or use as a result of using an escort.

Naturally I died regularly, but equally I managed to get a few kills in, my highest being 7 in one particular match. No, I wasn't "kirking" it either, I was genuinely trying to fulfill a gap and heal my team mates whilst concentrating fire on the ship they were shooting at. (God forbid PUG's actually communicate through chat....lol).

In one instance I used my DHC (x3) (CRF + Beta) to rip through a carrier's rear shields and than used the Vesta's primary Beam weapon along with CSV to hammer it down to oblivion. Admittedly, those moments with that weapon is few and far between but its a thrill nevertheless.

Anyways, just wanted to throw my two cents in.

I am just going to point out the B'rel pays for its enhanced Battlecloak with less hull, its not much of a question of being "overrated" but rather why grip yourself with a DHC B'rel when Hegh'ta can do about the same with 3k more hull to spare?