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# 11
02-18-2013, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by nikephorus View Post
What you think they are worth obviously doesn't matter as people are buying them for those prices. The demand for T5 ship yard access is actually pretty high. I've seen a lot of people on here and in game asking to purchase T5 ships from the fleets that are already there. You yourself are asking for that so the demand is high enough. As for the price point...well they've already got people paying 25 million...if no one was willing to pay that much the cost would be lower.
I'm sorry you feel our prices are too high. However, what we offer is in fact a luxury good. Those tend to be priced high and don't really obey the standard rules of supply and demand. Speaking of supply and demand, however, we've already gone through about 1/4th of our ship requisitions so far, with several resupplies, on top of having quite a bit of demand.

I in particular have tons of satisfied customers with only one unsatisfied customer who, in the end, still paid for his ship and left at least satisfied with that part. Even if he did have some unflattering words for me. I make no effort to pressure people into a sale. I'd rather they be informed and happy with their purchase so I get good word of mouth rather than an unhappy customer who felt pressured into their purchase and has buyer's remorse. I've frequently sent people to other fleets offering 'only' Tier 4 shipyard access because that was all they needed to get the ship they wanted.

As far as the prices on contraband and dilithium, I can definitely confirm that 250 contraband sells for 10m. I sold a stack for that much just a few hours ago, in fact. As for dilithium, my fleet has that sorted quite well and has no real need for donations of it. I'm willing to talk to you in game and see if an arrangement can be made, if you change your mind. You can reach me in game at @atheonyirh.
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# 12
02-18-2013, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by amayakitsune View Post
I dont even think the lock box ships are woth what they are. They arent that good.

But still when youve reached Tier V Military youve gotten dozens of Fleet Ship provisions. So your supply of fleet ships is high... Ive not seen much in the way of demand for them. They arent that much better. For me its a marginal upgrade from my Assault Cruiser Refit. Not one worth 25 million EC. At most its worth 10million... and maybe some dilithium are a good exchange rate...
Not necessarily picking one side or the other here (25 mil is more than I'd pay for a single ship as well, but thats just personal opinion), but what youre buying isn't the provision. Thats just an overhead cost. What you're paying for is access to something there just aren't many of out there, and the people who built it sunk a lot of money into doing so. They're well within their rights to say "we dropped millions of dil and billions of EC into this. If you want to use it, you need to contribute at least a fraction of what we did." 25 million is the same as about 250k dil, which even just for that T4-to-T5 transition they spent many times over. Provisioning costs are the least signifcant expense in all this.
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# 13
02-18-2013, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by amayakitsune View Post
So any fleets who arent charging retarded prices, that perhaps realize that average players dont have 25,000,000EC or several hundred thousand dilithium?
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Originally Posted by hereticknight085 View Post
Think about it this way. You are asking a fleet to use a TOP TIER shipyard. That is MAX tier equipment. And you never helped them get there. In any way, shape, or form. So their prices are fair. Very much so.
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Originally Posted by reginamala78 View Post
Not to be rude about it, but you're asking for access to one of the rarest and most expensive resources in the game, of which you could count the number in existance on your fingers, AND are still quite new and have very little competition. They're going to charge what the market allows.
Except "Top Tier" is little more than 10% more hull, 10% more shields and a console. Not exactly worth an additional X million resources if you ask me.

Although buying something like the Mirror Patrol Escort for 1Mil ECs is a lot more reasonable than 120K Dil for the regular version...so....
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# 14
02-18-2013, 08:06 PM
How are you guys distributing all these ship sales among your fleet members?

I am assuming all the fleet members that contributed to building your starbases, get a cut....

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# 15
02-18-2013, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by sunfrancks View Post
How are you guys distributing all these ship sales among your fleet members?

I am assuming all the fleet members that contributed to building your starbases, get a cut....
Or they use the EC to purchase commodities and Doffs necessary for other Fleet projects, taking some of the burden off of Fleet members.

Anyway, the 25 million EC sounds reasonable to me. I assume the price was set to be reasonable for someone who really wants a ship, but filters out enough people that they aren't completely swamped with demand for their ships. That's just supposition on my part, though.
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# 16
02-18-2013, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by sunfrancks View Post
How are you guys distributing all these ship sales among your fleet members?

I am assuming all the fleet members that contributed to building your starbases, get a cut....
How do we distribute it among all the fleet members? Well, there's only two of us as it is...
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# 17
02-19-2013, 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by reginamala78 View Post
Not necessarily picking one side or the other here (25 mil is more than I'd pay for a single ship as well, but thats just personal opinion), but what youre buying isn't the provision. Thats just an overhead cost. What you're paying for is access to something there just aren't many of out there, and the people who built it sunk a lot of money into doing so. They're well within their rights to say "we dropped millions of dil and billions of EC into this. If you want to use it, you need to contribute at least a fraction of what we did." 25 million is the same as about 250k dil, which even just for that T4-to-T5 transition they spent many times over. Provisioning costs are the least signifcant expense in all this.

No... I'm sorry... but what Im paying for is the provision. As that is the only thing it costs the fleet I'm buying from. You can try and tell me Im paying for the ship itself... but youd be wrong... because in this transaction, the ship itself doesnt matter. Theyre charging the same for a Tier 1 Fleet ship as they are for a Tier 5. You can try and tell me I'm paying for access to the base... but only a moron pays someone to do something that costs them nothing. So I'm left with the only thing that I'm costing the fleet in question which is a single fleet provision. And dont try to make it out like I'm being a burden on the people who got their fleet to this level... they got it there... and from what I heard in game from one person... it sounds like they got it there mostly with help from people from other fleets. (Although Ive no way of confirming that... if true this is nothing more than a get rich quick scheme.)

It doesnt cost them anything to invite me to the base/invite me to the fleet. It isnt costing them any real money, as it will be costing me. In the end the only thing it costs them is a single Fleet Ship provision. And I'm more than happy to pay for the provision I'm using up. In the end I'm the only one forking over anything of value.

But a provision is worth... at most 40k dilithium. (Thats the 200k dilithium project/the 5 provisions it awards). Id also be happy to give the fleet a moderate sum of energy credits. (5 million, is a nice number). And I'd be willing to donate commodities to projects, or fleet marks, should I have them. Or Doffs, or Embassy provisions, if they dont want to spend their own fleet credits on them. But I'm only willing to pay a reasonable price. 25 million isnt reasonable, especially for a 10% upgrade to shields and hull + an extra console. 10 million EC straight is the most I would pay.

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How do we distribute it among all the fleet members? Well, there's only two of us as it is...
So youre part of 1st Aquarious? And theres only 2 members in the fleet? Or am I misreading...


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As it is, for 25M EC, I'm happy to stay in my regular Assault Cruiser Refit. The Fleet skin is awesome, and the +10% shield/hull and the extra console would be nice. But not for that price. I'll wait until more fleets get to tier 5 and they cant get away with highway robbery. Heck I'll wait the 2 years it'll take my 4 man fleet to get to tier 5 if need be.
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# 18
02-19-2013, 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by amayakitsune View Post
*snip*
Which doesn't change the fact you are still buying a rare commodity. And nothing worth anything in life is free or cheap.

What you are basically saying is you think it's too expensive. We're telling you that it's not based on the rarity of what they are offering and the cost it put on them to have the ability to offer this in the first place. They are willing to share this rare and wonderful commodity of a Tier V shipyard with the rest of the feds in the game. That act of charity alone makes it worth the EC cost they are stating. And then the fact that they are allowing you to use THEIR shipyard and THEIR provisions (I will grant you the provisions are cheap, but to get a tier V shipyard? That's the exact opposite of cheap) means they have every right to charge whatever they deem fit. And if you ask me, 25 mil ECs for a Tier V ship is well worth it.

And their 40 mil EC deal? That's just gold.

I have personally done business with 1st Aquarius, and I purchased 4 fleet ships from them. I am very much satisfied with my investment, and expect to continue to be satisfied with any future purchases I make from them. And as you are beholden to your opinion, you can do what you will. But do NOT slander them by saying they are charging too much. If you really have an issue with it, just don't buy from them. But do NOT insult them in the process.
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# 19
02-19-2013, 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by hereticknight085 View Post
Which doesn't change the fact you are still buying a rare commodity. And nothing worth anything in life is free or cheap.

What you are basically saying is you think it's too expensive. We're telling you that it's not based on the rarity of what they are offering and the cost it put on them to have the ability to offer this in the first place. They are willing to share this rare and wonderful commodity of a Tier V shipyard with the rest of the feds in the game. That act of charity alone makes it worth the EC cost they are stating. And then the fact that they are allowing you to use THEIR shipyard and THEIR provisions (I will grant you the provisions are cheap, but to get a tier V shipyard? That's the exact opposite of cheap) means they have every right to charge whatever they deem fit. And if you ask me, 25 mil ECs for a Tier V ship is well worth it.

And their 40 mil EC deal? That's just gold.

I have personally done business with 1st Aquarius, and I purchased 4 fleet ships from them. I am very much satisfied with my investment, and expect to continue to be satisfied with any future purchases I make from them. And as you are beholden to your opinion, you can do what you will. But do NOT slander them by saying they are charging too much. If you really have an issue with it, just don't buy from them. But do NOT insult them in the process.
Its not slander... might wanna check that dictionary again. My statement was in no way false (as its an opinion) nor is it malicious, nor is it referencing any of the people in the fleet. (For reference my statement was that their prices or outrageous, exorbitant and retarded. Not their fleet, or them.)

I have an issue with something, I'm going to vocalize it. Deal with it.

This commodity is not rare... judging by the number of high tier fleet ships Ive seen. They also arent that wonderful... theyd need much better stats for that.

Youre right... getting to Tier V military isnt cheap... but if what I read today is true... then they didnt do nearly all of the work to get there and just had help from other fleets... (I make no accusations, I cant prove what I was told, only that it is what I was told, but I do believe in knowing all the sides)

And ignoring that... who pays someone for previous work theyve done of their own free will? That would be akin to someone fixing a computer for free, at cost to them, and then the next time charging a 100 dollars to swap a 20 dollar part provided by the person who would be paying them.

Im not going to pay you for you having done something that you wanted to do, and did on your own time, under your own free will. Im gonna pay you for exactly what Im going to be using. And Im not going to pay large prices when it isnt worth it.

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# 20
02-19-2013, 03:25 AM
I really do not see a problem OP. Its simply supply and demand. If you think 25 mil EC is too much, find some other fleet with T5 shipyard that sells it cheaper. Problem solved. No need to make a drama about it. Those dudes in Aquarius aren't charity, they pulled off something incredible and they can ask for a price they deem sufficient.

If you are only looking for T3 or T4 shipyards, I'm pretty sure you can get it very cheaplly. If you are looking for T5 shipyard but do not want to play, well make your own fleet and grind to T5.
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