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# 41
02-19-2013, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by finious2 View Post
the PVP community control the game and what about us people who do not like pvp i myself don't like pvp, dont care fore it, to many rules you have to follow to pvp.

here is what the pvp community would like to see from you

1. use only 1 weapon.
2. console slots must be empty.
3. no shields should be installed on your ship.
4. no targeting thwe other player let them blast you to little pieces.
5. oh yeah and make sure you thank the QQ'ing pvp'ers for being thier punching bag.

the above rules of engagement are a completely made up but i'm sure if the pvp community could some how figure out how to get STO to make us follow a set of rules like that, they would.

stop crying pvp'ers play the game it is only a game for goodness sake
as has been stated, if pvp is so bad. why are you even here?

you do realize we want other players to actually have a chance against us, and this is why we constantly "cry" about things right?
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Frankly, I think the only sound advice that one can give new players at this time is to stay away from PVP in STO.
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# 42
02-19-2013, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by borticuscryptic View Post
So, if I'm interpreting the feedback correctly...

1 ship using them is a bother, but can be countered.
2 ships using them is a death sentence.

Would this be an accurate way to reiterate the issue(s) surrounding Siphon Drones?
No. It is no worse than a danube/tractor build on the fed side. In fact, the danube/tractor build is much worse. You've done enough to the siphons, stop now.
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# 43
02-19-2013, 10:24 PM
i'll help. kdf kar'fi with plasmonic leech, aceton assimilators. need to pick up some siphon drones though. i've got siphon 2 and 3 with 2 doffs to match. let me know. i'm available 2-11 pm est. message me @sharpe-
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# 44
02-20-2013, 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by crusty8mac View Post
No. It is no worse than a danube/tractor build on the fed side. In fact, the danube/tractor build is much worse. You've done enough to the siphons, stop now.
I agree that danube/tractor buid is much worse than siphons.
Vesta and armitage running danube/tractor are pure spam in my opinion and they are worse than AMS console.In fact AMS will hit you once then you have immunity for some time (12 sec).From danubes you dont have such thing.
Vesta running DHC and tractor beams is awfull .

Nobody cares about that.
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maybe the issue lies in the fact that drain can actually disable subsystems?

could try testing a situation where as drain can not take systems below 20-25
while still online but so low a ship is able to possibly escape but really unable to dps or heal effectively and thus would need to be assisted?

as turning off subsystems should be a targeted brief thing power drain can be long lasting and thus much more crippling then an actual disable skill such as viralmatrix or phaser procs etc.

sorry i did skim through this if this has not been mentioned also plasmatic leech could take a looking at with some experiments of its own.

issue being with just one person its crippling but not offlining you but with more then 2 you will be offlined by the plasmatic leech stacks(though it not supposed to)

need tests to confirm but i will leave that to the people here to deal with as i dont have access to the proper equipment.
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# 46
02-20-2013, 01:30 AM
I agree with the contra team here.
Get your filthy 5000Zen pc hands of our kdf pets. Deal with the ridiculous amount of Fed Spam, and get that new escort in line. Fed whinning has already nerfed the KDF into the laughable state it is in. Just look at the Fed Glasscannons and the KDf glasscannon in comparisons. Yoru friggin pets have more HP then our ships
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# 47
02-20-2013, 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by xsharpex View Post
i'll help. kdf kar'fi with plasmonic leech, aceton assimilators. need to pick up some siphon drones though. i've got siphon 2 and 3 with 2 doffs to match. let me know. i'm available 2-11 pm est. message me @sharpe-
Thanks, sharpe. I will contact you so that you, Naz, and myself can get some testing on tape.

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# 48
02-20-2013, 04:39 AM
Please don't allow this thread to devolve into a rage fest. The goals of the tests we want to run are simple:

- to provide visual and empirical evidence of how power drain works on the KDF side in several scenarios and with several spec and gear setups

- in light of this evidence, to provide suggestions as to whether Cryptic/PWE's recent adjustment to the siphon drones was effective, sufficient, or whether it needs further attention.

Please understand that I also PvP on the KDF side as well as the Fed side here: 4 LvL 50 KDF toons and 3 lvl 50 Fed toons (2 unfinished Fed toons). My goal is not to put the KDF at any disadvantage. In fact, my own fleet is looking into putting together a KDF premade. The issue here is one of balance concerning the issue of power drain. Now, are there issues with danubes and other things on the Fed side? For sure. I encourage others to test these issues and provide the community with evidence to discuss them.

At this point, i think it is best to see what the tests show and then to comment on those matters, rather than turning up the heat on the polemics.

At this point, I am content to let the thread die until Naz, Sharpe, and I can put our video together. I will then post that information.

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Rihannsu
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# 49
02-20-2013, 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by gradstudent1 View Post
Please don't allow this thread to devolve into a rage fest. The goals of the tests we want to run are simple:

- to provide visual and empirical evidence of how power drain works on the KDF side in several scenarios and with several spec and gear setups

- in light of this evidence, to provide suggestions as to whether Cryptic/PWE's recent adjustment to the siphon drones was effective, sufficient, or whether it needs further attention.

Please understand that I also PvP on the KDF side as well as the Fed side here: 4 LvL 50 KDF toons and 3 lvl 50 Fed toons (2 unfinished Fed toons). My goal is not to put the KDF at any disadvantage. In fact, my own fleet is looking into putting together a KDF premade. The issue here is one of balance concerning the issue of power drain. Now, are there issues with danubes and other things on the Fed side? For sure. I encourage others to test these issues and provide the community with evidence to discuss them.

At this point, i think it is best to see what the tests show and then to comment on those matters, rather than turning up the heat on the polemics.

At this point, I am content to let the thread die until Naz, Sharpe, and I can put our video together. I will then post that information.
yeah sorry grad but i don't give a hoot anymore. The vesta is bad enough, leech will be in a lockbox for all if not this one then the next. The imbalance toward fed toys is getting out of hand, it has always been there, but its just been pushed to a whole new level by the vesta and kumari.

So don't expect any constructive feedback from me, to nerf more kdf items. Quite the opposite, I really don't see a reason to play clean in FvK anymore. With the amount Feddie BS, any kdf bs is not worth another look .
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Last edited by havam; 02-20-2013 at 05:09 AM.
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# 50
02-20-2013, 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by havam View Post
yeah sorry grad but i don't give a hoot anymore. The vesta is bad enough, leech will be in a lockbox for all if not this one then the next. The imbalance toward fed toys is getting out of hand, it has always been there, but its just been pushed to a whole new level by the vesta and kumari.

So don't expect any constructive feedback from me, to nerf more kdf items. Quite the opposite, I really don't see a reason to play clean in FvK anymore. With the amount Feddie BS, any kdf bs is not worth another look .
To say the truth i dont think the vestas are worth my dime and therefore i have not purchased them. Look at the current serious premades. All i see are the temporal sci ships, not the vestas.

At the end of the day, all this attitude will do is make the FvK ques defunct which in turn will screw klinks even more. If that is what you want your going the right way.
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