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# 91
02-21-2013, 07:22 PM
OP, I am picking up what you are putting down. That first Heghta especially.
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# 92
02-21-2013, 07:30 PM
in response to the andorian ship, all kdf ships that currently cloak should get a battle cloak
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# 93
02-21-2013, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
in response to the andorian ship, all kdf ships that currently cloak should get a battle cloak
We arent looking for more hit and run ships, we want bops that can sustain a normal fight. I do like the alpha tactic, but currently thats the only thing a bop can do
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# 94
02-21-2013, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
in response to the andorian ship, all kdf ships that currently cloak should get a battle cloak
??????

That may be a bit extreme. I just liked the idea of a Slightly tougher BoP with a ensign Uslot to be honest.
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# 95
02-21-2013, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by p2wsucks View Post
Iirc, there Raiders actually lost the rear weapon mount early on.

Also, I thought there were slight boosts to hull around Season 5, but maybe that was just the B'rel.

But, the overall point I agree with. Raiders have been left in the dust. Really, the Vet ship is the closest thing to what the Fleet Raiders should have been like, but w/less hull, more speed and Sci Boff/Console Oriented option as well. I'm still hoping the Romulans come w/a Sci Oriented Raider Feds can't get.
Ya its been a few years now so my memory isn't 100% either... but ya I am pretty sure the changes you refer to where for the brel. Not the Hegh. I could be wrong... but I don't think my hull numbers have changed in 4 years.

Your right on the vet ship and good example... it is possible to have higher stated BOP like ships that are not unbalanced.

I think you can agree Roach... we arn't asking for more then we deserve. I don't want an uber bop there is no fun in that... just a reasonable keeping with the times update. If the lockbox/fed fleet/Fed Cstore ships are the new standard at least give us an iconic Klingon ship on par with them on the balance sheet. We don't want JEM or even Patrol Escort level hull... we don't want Wells destroyer style uber shielding.... but a bump would be appreciated... not the token 700k the Nogh and Hos got recently. (huge bump on there first design... but the first design was flawed... we all remember the belly aching when the Fleet bop specs where first released.) Most long time Klingon players don't own a fleet BOP at all... because the numbers where just not enticing at all.

Anyway Roach I'm glad you arn't completely turned off my more complaining. I know it feels like thats what we do sometimes. Understand I bought a NORG a few days ago... because friends said HEY this bop is fun to play now thanks to this little minor bump. They where right it is fun to play... However playing it I still say to myself yes this is fun and what I want to do... but why do all my fed tacs feel so much more powerful ? Anyway... this is my form of friendly protest... I type lots. I want Cryptic to understand that we Klnngon players may have not been around much the last few years... and some of us have been hiding out with blue huds (Phaaaa). However if they build it WE will come... and I don't think its negative to say I will happily open my wallet if they do.
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# 96
02-21-2013, 07:43 PM
Your preaching to the chior here. I ve long wondered if the BoP got left behind in the arms race.
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# 97
02-21-2013, 07:48 PM
Just put the JHAS in the C-store already. Balance restored, everybody wins.
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# 98
02-21-2013, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by beefsupreme79 View Post
Has this guy even seen a trek episode?
And while you guys try to say the Bop is the lead ship of the empire, it's three known flag ships were battle cruisers.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh....php?t=1313421
The Somraw, K'tinga, D'Kyr, D7, Kumari, Xindi carrier, Xindi escort, and the T'Varo are all older than the Constitution Refit and yet they are tier 5. The Constellation is made up primarily of Connie refit parts and it is tier 5, there is no logical reason whatsoever for the no tier 5/6 connie rule.
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# 99
02-21-2013, 08:07 PM
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And while you guys try to say the Bop is the lead ship of the empire, it's three known flag ships were battle cruisers.
I think they meant to say that the bird of prey is the most characteristic klingon ship. Its the most seen in the series.
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# 100
02-21-2013, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by alhucemas View Post
I think they meant to say that the bird of prey is the most characteristic klingon ship.
Fun fact about the BOP.
The original was meant to be a stolen Romulan ship, hence the term Bird of Prey and the feathered wing designs. I'm all for more BOP's in the game, but lets not give it an undeserved standing.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh....php?t=1313421
The Somraw, K'tinga, D'Kyr, D7, Kumari, Xindi carrier, Xindi escort, and the T'Varo are all older than the Constitution Refit and yet they are tier 5. The Constellation is made up primarily of Connie refit parts and it is tier 5, there is no logical reason whatsoever for the no tier 5/6 connie rule.
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