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# 31
02-21-2013, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by alhucemas View Post
Thats exactly what I was going to say.

Even though I agree that BoPs may need a small boost, some people are already complaining that the escorts can tank almost as well as a cruiser (dont know how, but anyways thats not the point), so they would see this BoPs as real monsters.

An extra tac console OR an extra fore weapon at the cost of chainging a lt. BOFF for an ensign BOFF could be a more viable new BoP. Or just giving it 3 rear slot weapons. But I would never increase its hull/shields.
We already have those...

Fl. Ning'tao Retrofit... Commander / Lt Commander / Lt Commander / LT .... My version would have the same number of boffs but trade one down to an ensign

Fleet Hoh'SuS... has a 4th tac console

Frankly I am not talking Fleet ships here.

The feds have fleet versions of the defiant / patrol / advanced / mvam / escort... there all good ships... but they are not going to be on par with the new Cstore Cash grab Andorian ship are they. Perhaps we can argue it a bit... but I think most agree the Andorian will be the go to escort if you don't own a JEM.

Klinks need a ship to combat the Andorian... no we don't need some new faction or gorn or naus... we need a KLINGON ship and the BOP is the Canon klink ship... there is D7 Neg... and BOP. Those are the klink ships... so if we are going to juice up a cash grab 3 pack for the klinks what better ship to use.

As far as the hull and shield go... anyone that has flown a bop and a fed escort will tell you now there is no comparison. The numbers I proposed put it half way... its still way off the "escort" class hull and shielding at this point. Is it on par with the old MK X ships ... yes why should it not be. Its time for the feds to fight Klingons on a level battle field... one that hasn't been level in at least 2 years now.
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# 32
02-21-2013, 08:11 AM
Personally, I Agree that the KDF needs Something similar to how the Federation got the Vesta and Kumari..

Perhaps a new Carrier and BoP or Raptor to be the same situation..

Or a new Science Vessel from the Gorn, and a new Escort from the Naussicans. (Did I get that race right? I'm forgetful)

Of course it is too early probably to ask for something like that. I mean let's face it, May is technically right around the corner, and this new Kumari will probably be the last ship released to the C-store till May.. with a new lockbox probobly in April and new way to get the JHAS probably in March.
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# 33
02-21-2013, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ussultimatum View Post
Well, clearly it isn't - even though you might want it to be.


If you took your proposal, made it a Raptor, Removed the battle cloak (standard cloak) and gave them some Uni boff stations (Ltc/Ensign) with fixed CMD/Lt/Lt stations like the Ody/Vesta, and dropped Turn rate to 15 to 17 it would be much more realistic.

Then maybe the 3 piece console bonus would be a 10 to 20s battle cloak on 3 min cooldown.


What your asking for is not an Escort.

You're asking for an Escort that is also a Stealth Hit & Run Striker.
NA NA you sound like a Cryptic employee... The raptor is a terrible looking piece of junk very much NOT Iconic Klink... it should have never existed at all imo.

Am I asking for an bop that has more burst then the bop does now... ah ya of course I am. With all the healing going on even a good bop pilot isn't going to score many solid alpha kills anymore... on anyone of merit anyway. Even my version wouldn't be a reliable Cloak Alpha strike machine. One more turret in the back... ya that is overpowering considering the feds will be rolling an extra DHC. lol But but but you have a battle cloak. Pe sha.

Turn rate... are you kidden... the bops turn that's what they do. They trade hull and shield for that IMO.

We can talk uni stations and thats the trade but lets all get real the BOP isn't all that uni. The uni station idea was Cryptics way of releasing this game on time half baked with no Klink Sci ships.

If my bop came out... how would you set yours up... Like a patrol... or like an advanced... or like an mvam... or like an armitage... haha exactly right.

Feds have every single Uni Station option that would be realistic... in a ship that will have much more hull shield... more consoles... but ya a less turn and no battle cloak... but its time we say the Klinks have some unique faction bonuses. And I am NOT talking about Stupid naus death star rays or equaly terrible repair platforms.

Could you throw a Sci commander on... ya you could... then we compare it to the Fed sci ship line.
Is there a fed sci ship that wouldn't compare better on paper vs the BOP sci setup... of course not... but I like having a sci bop option at long last with a boost to aux power at least. The feds would still have sub system targeting... sure no cloak... but 2x the shields is just as good. (and likely better in any high level pvp at least)
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# 34
02-21-2013, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ussultimatum View Post

You're asking for an Escort that is also a Stealth Hit & Run Striker.
You mean like the Fleet Defiant?
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# 35
02-21-2013, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by antoniosalieri View Post
As far as the hull and shield go... anyone that has flown a bop and a fed escort will tell you now there is no comparison. The numbers I proposed put it half way... its still way off the "escort" class hull and shielding at this point. Is it on par with the old MK X ships ... yes why should it not be. Its time for the feds to fight Klingons on a level battle field... one that hasn't been level in at least 2 years now.
I do fly both escort and BoP, and eventhough I agree with you the escort is more powerful (it has more sustained damage, 1/4 more resistance and probably as much burst damage in exchange for the turnrate and versatility of the BoP). But I would only give it a small boost. Say a new tactical console or a rear turret. If you give it another fore weapon then you should change a lt BOFF for an ensign BOFF.

I am happy with my BoP, and I dont want everybody now to start flying BoPs because it is the new awesome "I win ship".
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# 36
02-21-2013, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by antoniosalieri View Post
The feds have fleet versions of the defiant / patrol / advanced / mvam / escort... there all good ships... but they are not going to be on par with the new Cstore Cash grab Andorian ship are they.
Guess which one has new artwork (expensive) and which ones do not (zero investment).


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Originally Posted by antoniosalieri View Post
Perhaps we can argue it a bit... but I think most agree the Andorian will be the go to escort if you don't own a JEM.
Agreed, to a point.


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Originally Posted by antoniosalieri View Post
we need a KLINGON ship and the BOP is the Canon klink ship... there is D7 Neg... and BOP. Those are the klink ships... so if we are going to juice up a cash grab 3 pack for the klinks what better ship to use.
Agreed!



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Originally Posted by antoniosalieri View Post
The numbers I proposed put it half way... its still way off the "escort" class hull and shielding at this point. Is it on par with the old MK X ships ... yes why should it not be. Its time for the feds to fight Klingons on a level battle field... one that hasn't been level in at least 2 years now.
What is a level battlefield when your opponent has 90 to 95%* of your survivability, better maneuverability (better than JHAS even, and 5 full base points higher than the Defiant), better boff layout and complete stealth/first strike advantages?


*(your proposed ship, not current BoPs which are obviously much lower survivability)


What about this ship would not be well OP in the favor of KDF in Ker'rat?

We can love or hate Ker'rat for it's design, but it's no smaller an actual thing in the game than Arena instances.

Thinking one is more important than the other in the scheme of this game is solely a perception bias (which I'm guilty of, because I prefer Arena).

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# 37
02-21-2013, 08:21 AM
i only would change the tac heghta to 5 tac consoles, yknow like half of the fed ships players are using in pvp. everything else looks good.
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# 38
02-21-2013, 08:22 AM
Maybe if these 3 variants locked you into a couple of stations. The Tac version would have a Commander Tac Station and a Lt Commander or Lt Tac station with power to weapons. Eng version might have a locked Commander Eng Station and a Lt Commander or Lt station with power to all systems like a cruiser. Something like a pattern along those lines.

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Originally Posted by drkfrontiers View Post
You mean like the Fleet Defiant?
Sure, if the Defiant had battle cloak (which it should). But more like a Raptor except better in almost every way.
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# 39
02-21-2013, 08:25 AM
Here is a big prob IMO the BoP is slated as a raider which it is not it is actually an attack ship which means its somewhere between a raider and an escort.

But Cryptic has slated it as a raider to justify nerfing the bejesus out of it they should do the following.

1) Reclassify the BoP as an attack ship

2) Give it a third aft weapons slot

3) Add a new console slot and remove 1 boff

4) Buff the hull points aswell as shield points to somewhere in between a raider and an escort


5) Make 2 Boff slots commander 1 engi 1 tac 2 lt commander uni boff slots

6) Make the battle cloak more efficient then the whole fire HERE I AM someone please kill me garbage

7)make the BoP a little more durable then the fine china we attempt to fight with.
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# 40
02-21-2013, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by alhucemas View Post
I do fly both escort and BoP, and eventhough I agree with you the escort is more powerful (it has more sustained damage, 1/4 more resistance and probably as much burst damage in exchange for the turnrate and versatility of the BoP). But I would only give it a small boost. Say a new tactical console or a rear turret. If you give it another fore weapon then you should change a lt BOFF for an ensign BOFF.

I am happy with my BoP, and I dont want everybody now to start flying BoPs because it is the new awesome "I win ship".
I do I want a ton of new players to jump into that Iconic BOP and play klink more... I want KvF pvp to pop more then twice a day... I want the Boot camp kids to be talking about BOP builds not defiant ones.

As far as the rear weapon and ensign slot go... they are non negotiable. There is no way anyone in there right mind would drop $50 on a cstore version that is = to the fleet versions. The fleet versions as I have pointed out in an earlier post DO add a console on one ... and a LT. Commander Boff station on the other. Putting a rear slot that is most likely to house an extra turret is no major boon... but it does level the field a bit.

So really I don't see asking for that ONE extra console... and ONE extra boff station (and I would be happy with it being ensign of course) as being out of line at all... considering the fleet bops already have those bumps.

Combine them into the ultimate Klink bop and sell it to us for some real $... it won't effect balance in PvE at all... for STFs fed escorts will still rule the DPS and therefore have the fastest walk through times... no issue there... the Cstore bop will still get one hot by borg more then any other ship. In PvP... its no more out of line then the Vesta or the Kumari and that is all we are going to see soon enough anyway.
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