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# 81
02-21-2013, 05:04 PM
kdf ships all being fairly maneuverable, save for carriers, is a plus for dealing with incoming spike. its the fed cruisers that will be the most overwhelmed

give the fleet qin a 5th weapon, if this DARK road is to be gone down. its already got lots of negatives, so 1 big positive is sorta needed on it.
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# 82
02-21-2013, 06:31 PM
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Still, I bought the Bortasqu bundle mostly out of KDF solidarity. I'd probably buy this if it came with nothing more than a painstick emote for the same reasons.
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# 83
02-21-2013, 06:32 PM
KDF dont need more ships with cloak. Give us Hirogen attack ships, with same stats as Andorian ones. Period.
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# 84
02-21-2013, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
kdf ships all being fairly maneuverable, save for carriers, is a plus for dealing with incoming spike. its the fed cruisers that will be the most overwhelmed

give the fleet qin a 5th weapon, if this DARK road is to be gone down. its already got lots of negatives, so 1 big positive is sorta needed on it.
Na we klinks need to demand Cryptic forgets that abomination ever existed.

I stand by what I said... I would really love to see the raptor deleted from the game. I wish CBS would call up and say hey wth is this that design isn't cool with us man. lol

The raptor is what has allowed Cryptic to shovel us garbage for our BOP... The real KDF escort for 3 years.

The point I was making earlier... is the BOP was NOT the same ship at launch that it is now.

The consoles it has now are the EXACT same as they where at launch. EVERY other ship has gotten upgrades.

The Hull and Shield numbers on the bop are (Norg not withstanding... and not much better) EXACTLY the same as they where at launch... no upgrades there friends.

The Weapons points it has now... are the EXACT same as they where at launch.

So you ask what HAS the bop been given to keep up with the power creep ?

One model with an advanced battle cloak... trading almost 1/3 of its hull and shields to get... with no other real bonus. (at least the skin is iconic)

One model that gains 1 lovely console. ya know the one the fed ships got just cause... and again trade 1/3 of your hull and shield for that boys.

The Norg honestly the more I look at the numbers seems like a mistake... and I am waiting for Crytpic to just silently put it back after a patch... wooops we didn't mean to do that. lol

I don't intend to sound like the grumpy old klingon... really though look at ALL the ships in this game... consider all the NEW adds that have better hulls shields boffs extra consoles...
The only class of ships that have remained almost exactly the same since launch is the Bird of prey... its not the galaxy where they go hey why did we only put 3 weapons back there add the 4th. lol... they haven't said hey fleet ship... sure every fleet ship gets an extra console. WHY ? Why is it that every single other ship in this game gets a console upgrade come fleet time accept the bop ?Well one did... but then it got none of the other fleet version upgrades either right. Like we should be happy that it got any upgrade at all and just dish out our 20 bucks.

Listen when I make this thread I'm not annoyed with Cryptic... I think the launch devs had a very different thing in mind with the bop... I think the devs that came around a year later... heard nothing but EVIL KLINK EVIL BOP... Battle cloak is op its op I tell ya. So sure when they where balancing the game they where in no rush to boost the bop. Its around that time they came up with the "raider" as a class idea. From that point on the bop stayed the same as every other escort and sci ship marched on.

There was a time in year 1 when a BOP could fly 1v1s vs fed escorts ... and they where FUN.
Was it fun because the bop would decloak and send the poor fed to respawn ?
No it was in fact a good match... good fed escort pilots where still insanely hard to beat in a bop.. however the bop didn't explode if the fed managed to get a weapons lock for 2 seconds either.
That is what I would like to see in this game again... which is WHY the ship needs to at least gain a 12th boff slot, a rear weapon ... of course it deserves it. Frankly after Cryptic started fleshing out the other ships... they should have added it onto ALL the bops... but now if it only comes on the 50 dollar version so be it.

Anyway... take an objective look at ALL the games ships.
Look at what has replaced it stat wise... and what has directly replaced with fleet versions or Cstore versions like the regent... ect.

Then look at the launch ships. The bop was around at launch... and it has for the most part been untouched. We have been saying power creep has been running it over for over 2 years now. At this point it has become beyond silly. The bop is out classed by pretty much every other Escort ship. I am not asking for it to get even the lowest of the low fed escort hull numbers, My numbers would still put it below even the lowest fed escort. I don't think there is any honest justification for it to have one less weapon slot then every other ship. I also don't think there is any reason for it to have one less boff slot. (we know that's not game breaking as the Norg has one more skill slot and its much higher rank to boot)... I don't see any nerf the Norg threads... mustn't be all that op I guess.

If anyone from Cryptic is Reading this... what I have asked for is NOT game breaking... it is NOT overpowered... it WILL however make you money. It WILL bring new and some old people into the game. It Will show everyone playing the game that you are serious about having a second faction... STOP and don't even think about adding a third if you can't even keep a second faction current with the power creep. I simply ask Cryptic... take an objective look at the Bird of Prey class... can you honestly justify halting any improvements to the class at launch(4 years ago) ? Because honestly everything the BOP has gotten in fleet versions has been payed for with a trade off. Its time to do the same thing for the KDF and the Bird that you have been doing for Orion and Naus... and Andorian... and UBER sci cruiser things.... BUMP it to a point that people drop CASH. Nothing I asked for can't be argued to be 100% balanced... unlike many of the design choices you have already made.... so CASH in boys.
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# 85
02-21-2013, 06:40 PM
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KDF dont need more ships with cloak. Give us Hirogen attack ships, with same stats as Andorian ones. Period.
No thanks... I fly KDF not Voyager cast of races.

Feds have gotten Multiple FEDERATION Hot dog and paper plate version upgrades over the last 4 years... they don't need to pretend to be captured Gorn or silly green pirates to fly a proper ship.

Granted that's better then no option.
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# 86
02-21-2013, 06:52 PM
This is interesting, but before I settle down for a big read I just want to say the Klingon battlecruiser is the symbol of Klingon mantra's. Decloaking and firing from behind isn't really honorable, is it? Plus Klingons are big and strong, not small and agile.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh....php?t=1313421
The Somraw, K'tinga, D'Kyr, D7, Kumari, Xindi carrier, Xindi escort, and the T'Varo are all older than the Constitution Refit and yet they are tier 5. The Constellation is made up primarily of Connie refit parts and it is tier 5, there is no logical reason whatsoever for the no tier 5/6 connie rule.
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# 87
02-21-2013, 07:05 PM
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This is interesting, but before I settle down for a big read I just want to say the Klingon battlecruiser is the symbol of Klingon mantra's. Decloaking and firing from behind isn't really honorable, is it? Plus Klingons are big and strong, not small and agile.
So many people have an odd sense of what honor is to a Klink.

Victory brings honor... nothing else.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Klingon_Bird-of-Prey

A few quotes from our friends at Mem alpha...

" ...one of the most versatile warships employed by the Empire, serving a variety of mission roles, including that of a scout, raider, patrol ship, and cruiser." Hmmm I do see raider in there... I also see PATROL escort... and even Cruiser. ;0

"Though the Bird-of-Prey design had been in service for nearly one hundred years, constant upgrades ensured that the ships were still a powerful and capable front-line warship." Yes those crazy Klingons trying to keep there tech current for shame.

"In the hands of a seasoned and aggressive commander, a Bird-of-Prey could engage multiple Dominion fighters and expect to come out victorious." not in STO that's for sure.

"The Bird-of-Prey of the mid-24th century was said to be equipped with the Klingon Empire's "best weapons" and "finest warriors" If its not honorable I doubt it would be the flag ship for the KDFs best warriors.
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# 88
02-21-2013, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by antoniosalieri View Post
I agree fleet ships are a great money maker... and with the specs I am proposing it wouldn't be "fleet" level it would be cash grab level and that's fine... the other faction has multiple cash grabs in the cstore now. Why not even it up.

To answer your question YES balance is out the window already... Vesta and Kumari 100% prove that fact. So why are they NOT cashing in on the Klink players.... seriously if the specs I proposed hit the cstore... do you think it wouldn't sell ? of course it would because its slighly op.... but you could argue that it doesn't break balance at all... and frankly I would put my money on a team built out of Kumari and vestas vs a "Retro Hegh" team any day. Is the design I propose really out of line with what the 2 new 3 pack fed ships offer... not at all... in fact I went tame.

As far as people being upset about 1-20... who cares... less BS leveling sounds good to me. Klink content... who cares don't waste your time. As long as my klink toons can do the featured stuff I don't care about klink content. People that play Klink mainly do for PvP or/and to fly a klink ship... klink missions... the badly written Cryptic style no thanks. I'll roll around the one pvp zone we have and the ques role playing my Klink warrior doing what Klink warriors do...

Man I sure would love to drop $50 on a new bop though Cryptic.
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# 89
02-21-2013, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by cidstorm View Post
This is interesting, but before I settle down for a big read I just want to say the Klingon battlecruiser is the symbol of Klingon mantra's. Decloaking and firing from behind isn't really honorable, is it? Plus Klingons are big and strong, not small and agile.
Has this guy even seen a trek episode?
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# 90
02-21-2013, 07:20 PM
Iirc, there Raiders actually lost the rear weapon mount early on.

Also, I thought there were slight boosts to hull around Season 5, but maybe that was just the B'rel.

But, the overall point I agree with. Raiders have been left in the dust. Really, the Vet ship is the closest thing to what the Fleet Raiders should have been like, but w/less hull, more speed and Sci Boff/Console Oriented option as well. I'm still hoping the Romulans come w/a Sci Oriented Raider Feds can't get.
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