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# 31
02-27-2013, 03:35 PM
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wait wut? are you calling me a klingon player? HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

im still asking what the hell the other ship the op was taking about that drains more then a science ship.


maybe you were hit with that tholian torp that drains/disables a power?

seriously dude.

give proof so we can start invesitgating it.
*sneaks up behind maicake's nebula and hits it on the head* Drain baby drain
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# 32
02-27-2013, 03:37 PM
Perhaps I need to be more precise. Pol weapons can proc for -50 drain. Cannons fire more so they proc more= more drain. Sci powers can be evaded a lot easyer than cannon fire. So technically it isn't more power but its a lot harder to counter since there is no biff power that can immediately counter it's proc as with phasers
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# 33
02-27-2013, 06:00 PM
im not sure why theres such a power drain concern at this point really. the siphon drone has the most powerful pet related effect, this is true. but, only a target that is asleep and wants to die is going to be killed by them, seriously. it cant apply their deadly effect, not against anyone trying actively not to die. they pop instantly by turret CSV, can be outrun by everything, even with how bad faw is they get poped easy, you have plenty of time to hit evasive when you see them start draining you too.

lets say your a slow cruiser or sci ship and you got droned, well that EWP and or TBR you have, because you saw your were facing then and you swapped boffs, is a 100%get out of siphon free card. use ether of these abilites will your at 4/4/4/4 power, and you save yourself in about 3 seconds.


runabouts, intercepters, their effect is much less dramatic, their ability to apply it though is unlimited. so they are so much worse in actual effect.

if other sources of energy drain are making you rage, fix your fail build and put 99 points in insulators. run the maco shield, get leach yourself, all other sources of energy drain you are basically immune to. also tet glider will stop kicking your ass so bad.
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# 34
02-27-2013, 07:16 PM
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Perhaps I need to be more precise. Pol weapons can proc for -50 drain. Cannons fire more so they proc more= more drain. Sci powers can be evaded a lot easyer than cannon fire. So technically it isn't more power but its a lot harder to counter since there is no biff power that can immediately counter it's proc as with phasers

polarons are resisted by power insulators though, so that actual 50 power (if you have 6-9 points in power insulators) is already reduced to about 20-30 power, it doesnt stack like it used to so a single source of polarons can not drain you dry like it used to.

and actually, its easier to avoid weapons fire then some science drains, there is no way to "dodge" power siphion because its a 100% hit rate with a 360 arc. sure you can clear it but you will always be hit by it.

and anything can run single cannons/turrets and rapid fire these days. beams just flat out suck... :/
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# 35
02-27-2013, 08:33 PM
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im not sure why theres such a power drain concern at this point really. the siphon drone has the most powerful pet related effect, this is true. but, only a target that is asleep and wants to die is going to be killed by them, seriously. it cant apply their deadly effect, not against anyone trying actively not to die. they pop instantly by turret CSV, can be outrun by everything, even with how bad faw is they get poped easy, you have plenty of time to hit evasive when you see them start draining you too.

lets say your a slow cruiser or sci ship and you got droned, well that EWP and or TBR you have, because you saw your were facing then and you swapped boffs, is a 100%get out of siphon free card. use ether of these abilites will your at 4/4/4/4 power, and you save yourself in about 3 seconds.


runabouts, intercepters, their effect is much less dramatic, their ability to apply it though is unlimited. so they are so much worse in actual effect.

if other sources of energy drain are making you rage, fix your fail build and put 99 points in insulators. run the maco shield, get leach yourself, all other sources of energy drain you are basically immune to. also tet glider will stop kicking your ass so bad.
The same could be said for countering Advanced Danubes. Easy to kill, Easy to Outrun. Only Escort pilots seem to whine about em, even though they have at least 2 copies of APO with a couple purple AP Doff's that reduce their CD to global, not to mention that some run with at least a rank 1 PH. They just hate having to waste APO on breaking a tractor, rather than buffing an Alpha. Boohoo.

Interceptors, I just avoid. They're like mobile, but less powerful Aceton Assimilators. I typically avoid Carriers and their spam altogether because there's almost always one or more cloaked BoP's behind all that spam.

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# 36
02-27-2013, 11:11 PM
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The same could be said for countering Advanced Danubes. Easy to kill, Easy to Outrun.
what the HELL are you talking about dude. that is the opposite of true. thats the problem with them, they have to much damn hitpoints to kill with a simple AOE spray.


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Interceptors, I just avoid. They're like mobile, but less powerful Aceton Assimilators. I typically avoid Carriers and their spam altogether because there's almost always one or more cloaked BoP's behind all that spam.
its actually not possible to avoid the fasted moving objects in the entire game, try again.
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# 37
02-28-2013, 02:27 AM
A torp spread or scatter volley should easily take them out. You can only have up to 4 danubes out at a time. They've already been fixed once so that they could have no more than one tractor beam active at the same time. They were later nerfed to a tractor beam cooldown (10? 15? seconds) to prevent spamming. Nerfing them anymore will deprive them of their sole purpose and a lot of people are going to want a big chunk of Dilithium back.


The interceptors maybe fast and hard to shake but once you're out of range of the carrier and the bulk of its swarm, the hitchikers are far more easily dealt with a couple of TS or HYT.
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# 38
02-28-2013, 02:44 AM
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polarons are resisted by power insulators though...
I was under the impression insulators were broken?
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# 39
02-28-2013, 03:29 AM
AHHHHHHHH more evul Klinguns that start helping the feds!!!

kk SO now that we can have an actual conversation:

If an escorts drains you to zero. You have no insulator specced aka you own fault, or some dark haxor magic is happening.

If you really want to get to the bottom of why drain on you was so bad, I'm more then happy to help you figure out why. Given the premise that it was an escort ( so even if it was kdf bug) op kdf only toys where not the issue. Maybe someone else put some sci magic on you without you noticing.

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# 40
02-28-2013, 03:41 AM
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AHHHHHHHH more evul Klinguns that start helping the feds!!!

kk SO now that we can have an actual conversation:

If an escorts drains you to zero. You have no insulator specced aka you own fault, or some dark haxor magic is happening.

If you really want to get to the bottom of why drain on you was so bad, I'm more then happy to help you figure out why. Given the premise that it was an escort ( so even if it was kdf bug) op kdf only toys where not the issue. Maybe someone else put some sci magic on you without you noticing.

Thanks for a more measured response. Indeed it is possible that there were other ships playing nearby but I didn't notice them, don't know about the OP. However it was being discussed at length in Kerrat last night and there were plenty of feds who were complaining about power drain. Something is going on and we will get to the bottom of it given time.
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