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# 21
02-26-2013, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by f2pdrakron View Post
Also you are stuck with Wing Cannons, the Defiant 7th weapon slot is turret ... sure its not a DHC but at the same time is still going to do at least 1/4 of damage that a DHC.
What do you mean, "stuck"? You can get rid of the wing cannons and use 5 DHCs, or whatever.
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They are no Fleet Defiant or Kumari, the reason people look for this ships is because a 5th tactical console slot means +26.2% more base damage minimum (Blue Mk XI Phaser Relay) and that can go up to 30%.
26% of the base damage adds up about 40 DPS (or maybe was it 60?) on my DHCs at 125 wep power, from about 1200 DPS at three tac consoles. So, uhh, it's a pretty negligeable buff.

Those simple facts would tell me the sci and eng variants of the Kumari line out DPS the Fleet Defiant.

The only variable that could make a difference is the bonus from decloaking.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix: Bring in the Allegiance class
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia: Add Tier 6 staple KDF ship types: Carrier and Bird of prey.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var: Give us Asylums for Romulans

Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!

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# 22
02-26-2013, 07:51 PM
How about no? How about some more diversity instead of yet another freaking gunship? How about a fed ship with dual hangars and lots of engineering boffs for a true support ship? How about a KDF raider with a 5/1 weapon layout and 5 tac consoles for an ultimate hit-and-run ship? Something different, not just yet another MOAR GUNZ!!!
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# 23
02-26-2013, 08:03 PM
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Neither the Odyssey nor the Vesta are on-brand, as one was a Cryptic contest winner and the other was made up for a book series.

So I think you already bought off-brand ships.
In this case brand refers to them being Starfleet ships, not Andorian, Vulcan, Ferengi or anything else.
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# 24
02-26-2013, 08:36 PM
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I have not and will not be buying the off-brand ships. Give a me a 3-pack Starfleet design and you've got my money.
Fix my Galaxy-X first!
http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o633/centersolace/189cux9khvl6ojpg_zpsca7ccff0.jpg

So inhumane superweapons, mass murder, and canon nonsense is okay, but speedos are too much for some people.
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# 25
02-26-2013, 08:40 PM
That would be good too.
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# 26
02-26-2013, 09:55 PM
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We don't have a Destroyer (Chimera) 3-pack yet.
And to be selfish, I hope you lot don't get one. Maybe improve the Chimmy for Lifetime/Veterans (10 consoles!), but keep it to them ONLY.

Let us have this one thing.

Besides, I'd prefer an entirely new design than simply unlocking an existing design. How about an Aquarius Destroyer (or Aquarius-like) 3-pack? I bet Cryptic can make those ships more appealing, and I like the way they look.

Prior to the Andorian Cruiser the Aquarius was the closest Feds had to a BoP, though it had too many of the BoP's drawbacks and too few of the BoP's strengths (and no, I don't mean the Battle Cloak. Let the Klinks have their thing).
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# 27
02-26-2013, 09:59 PM
humor me: what's the bloody diffrence between a destroyer and an escort? they both do massive DPS.
On the subject of Abramsverse stuff in STO: http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/07...l-rivera-part/
And more reasons against JJ Trek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiQ9piVgtWM
And even more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REOjxvQPQNQ
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# 28
02-26-2013, 10:06 PM
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What do you mean, "stuck"? You can get rid of the wing cannons and use 5 DHCs, or whatever.
I admit I dont own the pack or any of those ships and I was under the impression the Wing Cannons slot was set so only Wing Cannons would be used on it.

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26% of the base damage adds up about 40 DPS (or maybe was it 60?) on my DHCs at 125 wep power, from about 1200 DPS at three tac consoles. So, uhh, it's a pretty negligeable buff.
No offense but this is were drain comes, firing 5 DHCs will put a strain were the only way you can get then to fire at 125 is by using a battery or being a Eng and use a captain ability otherwise you are not going to sustain all weapons at 125, you get one at that and by the 3rd its going to drop under 100.

Also +26% base damage was at minimum since you can just buy or craft Blue Mk XI consoles and that is per shoot.

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Those simple facts would tell me the sci and eng variants of the Kumari line out DPS the Fleet Defiant.
Those are not "simple facts", a Fleet Defiant is a 5 tac console ship were every Phaser it have is buffed 26%, you math is simply based on "1 DHC vs 1 turret" since thats it, of course the DHC is going to hit for more but also drain more, pure burst a Kumari should out-DPS a Fleet Defiant but that assuming Tac buffing and batteries, the others I am not so sure if the DHC can offset a turret in pure damage with one less Tac console.

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The only variable that could make a difference is the bonus from decloaking.
There are other factors if we go into a vs fight as the Fleet Defiant is more capable of "tanking" and also have superior turn rate, 5 DHCs are nothing if it stays off the firing arc and if it stays off the firing arc you are pretty much only hitting with 2 turrets.
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# 29
02-26-2013, 10:29 PM
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humor me: what's the bloody diffrence between a destroyer and an escort? they both do massive DPS.
Seemingly by the logic shown a Regular destroyer is either smaller than a standard Escort (closer to a Klink BoP) or larger (closer to a Raptor), with cannon-heavy armament (and beam viability in the case of the heavy destroyers.

At the moment Feds have 3 officially classified Destroyers available: The Aquarius, the Chimera, and the Mobius. The Bug could theoretically be classed as a Destroyer, as possibly the Breen ship.

Practically speaking there's almost no difference between a destroyer and a standard Fed Escort, except perhaps the Heavy Destroyers (Chimmy/Penghu) and maybe the Breen ship (if you consider it a destroyer). Those ships have lower turn rate and higher crew, but have cannons and a stronger tactical layout than cruisers or science vessels. Klink Raptors erode the difference somewhat, but for Feds they're fairly unique.

But the main commonality between all the destroyers vs. the escorts is the presence of Universal Boff stations. This adds a level of versatility to the proceedings.
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# 30
02-26-2013, 10:37 PM
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I am not saying it cannot but a Fleet Defiant have a 5th tac console, that significant and the only difference is BO layout and the fact the Defiant have its 7th weapon on the back.
For damage dealing purposes, 5th Frontal Weapon > 1 Tactical Console. The challenge is keeping in the frontal arc. In PVE that's not much of a challenge.
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