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# 51
02-27-2013, 09:09 AM
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reception from what the forums, the same people who always complain about lockbox ships, but yet there they are flying around everywhere, right next to the new Escort flying around popping up everywhere.
C-Store ships have revenue targets just the same as lockbox ships do - and they cost pretty much the same amount of money to make.

If I was a PWE exec (and only cared about the revenue they're getting from an IP MMO they happen to have acquired) I'd be setting high sales targets for the C-Store stuff since it makes significantly less money than the lockbox ships.

I'd probably be considering axing C-Store ships altogether since that Dev time could go into making more lockboxes.

I might consider a Zen sale to see if that spurs greater volumes before deciding whether the C-Store is dead and that Lobi/Lockboxes are where it's at for future ship releases.

And if CBS didn't want that? I'd ramp my C-Store releases right down. Probably starting with the KDF.
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# 52
02-27-2013, 09:15 AM
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Because credibility can increase your sales. You think Blizzard has stayed around this long because of luck? Why would you just blindly hand over money without credibility?

A better example, look at my sig (and the link to the interview if you don't believe it) and look at what we have now on New Romulus. You can't trust someone to make a good decision without some credibility.
I don't really know about Blizzard, or it's games, so I can't quite respond to that

As for handing over money, if you feel it's worth the purchase and you do so, there's your answer right there, I think. After that point, it's just up to you to get mileage out of what you purchased

And making good decisions... hmm. I'm more a 'go with it' dude than anything, even as I keep in touch with what's upcoming, so I can't really respond to that either.
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If people trust a game developer/publisher, they will spend money. If people don't, they won't. Not hard to understand that.
I'm afraid I cannot agree

If I enjoy the game, I enjoy the game as it is. If I want something, I think hard about if I really do, and how to get it (which for STO mostly means Dil grinding, not that I mind much), and I get it if I choose so.

I do this regardless of whether I trust the company or not. As I said, 'go with it' dude.
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# 53
02-27-2013, 09:18 AM
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Somebody hasn't had enough coffee yet this morning.
It's related to this: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...61#post8338061

My phone is always out to get me. /sigh

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# 54
02-27-2013, 09:21 AM
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As for handing over money, if you feel it's worth the purchase and you do so, there's your answer right there, I think. After that point, it's just up to you to get mileage out of what you purchased
I like this post

Because funnily enough, I do actually think the Kumari is worth the money - it's the first ship that's really interested me since the Wells, and it interests me precisely because it is so frail yet stupid OP at the same time - it's like a big, shiny firework that could explode at any time.

But much though I like it, much though I'd like to buy it, I won't - because I don't like the direction STO's headed in and I won't be contributing anything to their bottom-line until such a point as that changes.

Even the shiniest of new ships can't disguise the fact that this game is a shadow of it's potential - potential that the developers seem to have given up on some time ago.
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# 55
02-27-2013, 09:26 AM
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As for handing over money, if you feel it's worth the purchase and you do so, there's your answer right there, I think. After that point, it's just up to you to get mileage out of what you purchased .
As I mentioned above, credibility can be subjective. However, in order to feel if it's worth it there has to be some trust involved. You are rolling the dice and trusting that new purchase to not be a dud. One can feel better about a purchase if they trust the manufacturer.

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I'm afraid I cannot agree

If I enjoy the game, I enjoy the game as it is..
In that respect, you must trust the company to not mess up the good thing you have. You enjoy the game you have now but no one is limitless in their patience. There is always that one thing that will push you over (doesn't have to be known, but it is there in everyone). You trust the company to continue providing a good product. You trust the company to not try your patience.

I want to ask you, what is wrong with people wanting to trust a game developer and expecting some credibility for their money?
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# 56
02-27-2013, 09:31 AM
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Yeah, it was a bad example after I looked at it.
You were on the right track...

You just let your Zealousness get in the way.

It takes an awful lot of Tact, Astuteness and a bit of Jingoism to actually convince other people to believe what you believe ...

But then one would perhaps be bordering on building ones own Jonestown at that point.
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# 57
02-27-2013, 09:35 AM
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I want to ask you, what is wrong with people wanting to trust a game developer and expecting some credibility for their money?
If I remember correctly, I never said it was wrong for people to want that... just that I didn't understand why

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with people wanting what they want (one of them being the trust/credibility thing we've been discussing). I just personally don't feel the need to have that particular thing in my life.

As for trusting them to not mess it up... I've been here since Open Beta, and pretty much no action they've done in those 3 years has ever touched a nerve. A little irritation here and there, yes, but it's always died down. For me, I don't seem to have a cumulative build-up mechanic.

So I can't quite test the fact that I even HAVE an 'over-the-edge', let alone what would push it over that edge
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# 58
02-27-2013, 09:37 AM
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You just let your Zealousness get in the way.
That was hardly zeal. Zealots don't admit their mistakes.

Now if you excuse me, I have to continue to plan my attempts at global domination...
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# 59
02-27-2013, 09:39 AM
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It's related to this: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...61#post8338061

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Understand that completely...

The touchscreen on my EVO-Prince of Darkness-3D, has been vexing my fingers for a while now...

I have to wait till May to replace it, and I'm NOT looking forward to playing "Father Merrin" for the next two months.

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# 60
02-27-2013, 09:41 AM
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As we've never released data like that before, and I'd like to continue being your Community Manager, that I can not do, understandly. However, the ship is very popular. Very popular indeed

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Given Cryptics track record with the "truth", you'll understand if we take your words with a huge pinch of salt.

Your "proof" for said sales being the # of ships ingame, is rather meaningless. I'm sure the same amount of sales was made on the Vesta or Odyssey ships. What matters most, is how many still fly one of those ships? I bet you, that most of the sold Odyssey ships, are now parked in a drydock somewhere.

The "new shiny" will always sell well. Most fly the new ships for the coolness factor. Undoubtedly, quite a few end up regretting their purchase. And thankfully for Cryptic/PWE, there are no refunds.
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