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# 31
04-14-2013, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by cryox1 View Post
In contrast of what has been said in this thread ,the DEM doffs (Marion) do not stack !

If you do load 2 or 3 of them ,the tooltip will display 2x or 3x "+200 Resistance to weapons subsystem energy drain for 8 seconds" but the action is working only for those initial 8 seconds of active DEM.
We tested it and it was verified.
So dont do the mistake i did and waste your credits on a second Marion,which for the KDF side is currently around 50 million ECs.
For escorts that can only use DEM 1,the skill is pretty much useless without the doff.
With Marion though u get a 8 second window of indeed massive dps.Is it worth it ? Maybe.
Many escorts are tempted to use Beam Overload within that time spam to take advantage of
the drain resistance.No doubt u will get quite a few insta kill crit BO shots.But considering the fact that u use a Lt Eng skill for DEM ,and u only realy use the 8 seconds of the 30 duration of the skill as well as the fact that besides that one BO shot ,u will have a lower dps weapon slotted (DBB in place of a forth DHC) the approach is controversial at best
So in fact they do stack, just not in the terms of added duration.

My tests confirm some difference between 1 and having 2. If its worth adding more then one in terms of damage output, no.

In fact my tests showed worse returns when using more then 1 marion. (I think this might be considered as broken I guess? If they are stackable yet returning no additional advantage seems pretty weird.)


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Originally Posted by emoejoe View Post
y q torps hit.

In fact this combo is so effective at instant damage, i opted now for two dual beam banks, and i fire the first bo2/bo3 simultaneously.

gg gl hf
Adding a second DBB doesnt let you fire two beam overload simultaneously, though it does compensate somewhat in terms of delay by 1000ms~ in my tests.

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Originally Posted by emoejoe View Post
Welp, not to beat a dead horse as it were, but the fruitfulness of my newly discovered combo merits high praise and discussion.
Agreed beam overloads is probably the most useful for this kind of doff, but your definately not one of the first that discovered it.

Probably one of the first that actually used it for what its intended, most likely. I left the game before I could finish my BoP, but i already had 2 purples sitting in my dofflist for whenever i returned.

Its just the better version of Weapon bat in between beam overloads, which bops have done since beta.

Last edited by darkfader1988; 04-14-2013 at 07:28 AM.
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# 32
04-14-2013, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by darkfader1988 View Post
So in fact they do stack, just not in the terms of added duration.

My tests confirm some difference between 1 and having 2. If its worth adding more then one in terms of damage output, no.

In fact my tests showed worse returns when using more then 1 marion. (I think this might be considered as broken I guess? If they are stackable yet returning no additional advantage seems pretty weird.)
Can you clarify this? Are you saying that two or three Marions gives you less drain resistance than one?
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# 33
04-14-2013, 10:37 AM
The test i made was in relation to the duration of the Marion doff effect.
Personaly i see no point in any other stackable attribute.A further increase in power drain resistance -if that is what can be stacked - provides no real advantage.
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# 34
04-14-2013, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by frtoaster View Post
Can you clarify this? Are you saying that two or three Marions gives you less drain resistance than one?
Well ive did some simple tests with beam overloads before a few times and everytime somehow i had to conclude that 2 marions reduce the damage somewhat.
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# 35
04-14-2013, 12:16 PM
Of course, you can a ship build like using DEM with Marion Frances Dulmur and BO. However, without combination with Aux2Bat cooldown reduction this build will only be awesome every 1:30 min.

Now the question, at which ships can Marion Frances Dulmur used with multiple BO2/3 efficiently?

You need:
- a ship with 1 Lt. Eng. Boff and 1 lt. Com. Eng. Boff for 2 copies of Aux2Bat and 1 copy of DEM
- a ship with at 2 tacs BOFFs equal or higher than Lt. for 2 copies of BO2/3
- a ship with an at least moderate turn rate to use dual beam banks

Now count the number of ships available for this setup ...

Last edited by xiphenon; 04-14-2013 at 12:20 PM.
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# 36
04-14-2013, 09:51 PM
I have started the following thread to discuss the possible stacking bugs with Marion Frances Dulmur:

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh....php?p=9225101
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