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# 1 We shouldn't worry
02-27-2013, 10:29 PM
The Feds may have and continue to get more ships than we get, but in the hands of a skilled player how many of them are OP compared to our ships? They wanted a battlecruiser but got 3 escorts with consoles on them that get better if have all three on one ship. Cryptic will keep pumping out pretty ships with boring stats for feds while we get one ship that was seen for less than a second on DS9 that for some reason launches black-holes for torps.
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# 2
02-27-2013, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by mondoid View Post
The Feds may have and continue to get more ships than we get, but in the hands of a skilled player how many of them are OP compared to our ships? They wanted a battlecruiser but got 3 escorts with consoles on them that get better if have all three on one ship. Cryptic will keep pumping out pretty ships with boring stats for feds while we get one ship that was seen for less than a second on DS9 that for some reason launches black-holes for torps.
I think that's part of the problem why you're not getting too many exclusive ships: Your free ships are so good that Cryptic hasn't been able to come up with ones that satisfy you enough to be worth buying.

Or a harsher judgement might be that your standards are too rigid to be open to ships that DON'T play to your preferred style. Think on how many pro-anti-Bortasque threads there are on these boards, and many of the naysayers' arguments are based on the fact that the Bortasque doesn't behave like a ship they're used to flying.
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# 3
02-28-2013, 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by unangbangkay View Post
I think that's part of the problem why you're not getting too many exclusive ships: Your free ships are so good that Cryptic hasn't been able to come up with ones that satisfy you enough to be worth buying.

Or a harsher judgement might be that your standards are too rigid to be open to ships that DON'T play to your preferred style. Think on how many pro-anti-Bortasque threads there are on these boards, and many of the naysayers' arguments are based on the fact that the Bortasque doesn't behave like a ship they're used to flying.
Well, yeah. We have standards. The Federation players seem to toss money at any garbage scow that Cryptic throws at them.

Right now, I'd say KDF's in the market for better raptors/BoPs, and science ships. However, you do have a point. . .it is kinda hard to improve upon either the free ships, or the ships we already have. . .not without the Federation crying 'OP!!!', anyhow. Then again, some of them still claim battlecloaks are OP
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# 4
02-28-2013, 07:21 AM
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Well, yeah. We have standards. The Federation players seem to toss money at any garbage scow that Cryptic throws at them.

Right now, I'd say KDF's in the market for better raptors/BoPs, and science ships. However, you do have a point. . .it is kinda hard to improve upon either the free ships, or the ships we already have. . .not without the Federation crying 'OP!!!', anyhow. Then again, some of them still claim battlecloaks are OP
Having actually played ships with them, I don't believe that battlecloaks are OP since the ships with them are only slightly less squishy than carrier pets.
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# 5
02-28-2013, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by mondoid View Post
The Feds may have and continue to get more ships than we get, but in the hands of a skilled player how many of them are OP compared to our ships? They wanted a battlecruiser but got 3 escorts with consoles on them that get better if have all three on one ship. Cryptic will keep pumping out pretty ships with boring stats for feds while we get one ship that was seen for less than a second on DS9 that for some reason launches black-holes for torps.

What ships they have received that are op compared to kdf... cstore ships that are faction exclusive since both sides get fleet and mirror ship versions.

Lets see..


Armitage - unique. no KDF counterpart given.
3x Vesta - Unique. no kdf counterpart given.
3x Kumari - Unique. No kdf counterpart given.
Defiant - unique. no KDF counterpart given. (5 tac console escort).
Yellowstone - unique. No KDF equivalent given.
Aquarius - copy/pasted into KDF. non-cstore but worth mentioning.

what was the KDF given in the above time frame?

Bortasqu - a copy/paste of the odyssey.
Hoh'sus BoP - copy/paste of aquarius escort.

..each of these two were copy/paste versions of the fed ship and slightly changed to make them fit a more kdf role/theme. The point is, they weren't given to KDF, they were designed first for the Fed side and ported to the KDF.

... and that's it.

So you can see, the Federation keeps receiving non-stop unique ship designs and roles and the KDF only has received two copy/pasted ships.

I don't see how you can call the fed new ship designs 'boring' . The very first escort+carrier hybrid that has unbelievable damage output potential... a mix of science/cruiser/tactical cruiser ship with extremely powerful consoles plus heavy cannons... 5-gun for escorts with special weapon consoles... the only cstore acquirable 5-tac console escort... and a runabout with very nifty abilities and consoles that makes the Vault a breeze.

We get... oh wait we got nothing 'new' in design.

KDF ships USED to be good and unique because the consoles the ships in the KDF came with gave them that uniqueness. Lockboxes however have already given the federation almost all of the KDF unique consoles and in return the KDF has gained nothing but trash consoles. The good consoles in fed ships are in the tier 5 vessels, all the kdf good consoles are under tier 5.

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Originally Posted by unangbangkay View Post
I think that's part of the problem why you're not getting too many exclusive ships: Your free ships are so good that Cryptic hasn't been able to come up with ones that satisfy you enough to be worth buying.
BS. They come up with new ship designs (and im not talking looks im talking capability.. aka escort carrier? lance-weapon like capable escort? cruiser-sci-tac cruiser ship with aux cannons?) for one side they can do it for the other. The real reason they dont do it is their bias towards the Fed side.
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# 6
02-28-2013, 09:29 AM
KDF players are used to taking it with no lube when Craptic introduces new ships. Its just a part of the game, like the myrid bugs that are exclusive to the KDF side we have to work around every day.

To this day they haven't fixed the Varanus science vessel, the cut and paste Fed Vulcan version. ((Remember when it was on the Tribble server and it said Varanus in the ship description? Whoops. Although when the Feds cried about its problems they got hotfixed, while our version still hasn't been touched/fixed yet.))

Craptic caters to Feds. Period. I don't think they understand if they'd fix the ongoing problems with the KDF, more people would play that side, buy more from the Zen store, hence making them more money.

I'm going to laugh so hard when they release the Romulans as a 1/4 faction, less than what we have now...
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# 7
02-28-2013, 05:12 PM
Well boys and girls, I did see this on the Feb edition of "Ask Cryptic" that we should be getting a new BoP this year. Trouble is, nobody has any idea what it looks like! All the images i found were stock B'rel images. If you find a proper image, then please post it! Here is the Quote from the man himself:


Q: (trygvar13) What happened to the D?Gavama class Bird of Prey? I have the screenshot of when it was released on TRIBBLE but it is still not available.

Dstahl: This ship was removed prior to our Free to Play launch and we expect it to return to the game later this year.
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# 8
02-28-2013, 06:57 PM
I'm not worried if they get more ships. Someone needs to buy stuff to keep the game going. I have 3 ships on my Klingon and that is enough. Since I can rotate them around some to keep it fresh. Since they are used in different ways. Granted some loves to collect ships. So to me I'm happy with my 3. However I do have room for another which is a Jem ship I would like to get. Either the escort or dread. I rather have the Dread.
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# 9
02-28-2013, 07:28 PM
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Having actually played ships with them, I don't believe that battlecloaks are OP since the ships with them are only slightly less squishy than carrier pets.
Exactly. That's why it's funny to see Federation fools complain about them. They don't know how to counter someone using a battlecloak the way it's supposed to be used. I've done hit-and-run ambushes against ships loitering around in a fedball (4 ships or more, especially in a place like Ker'rat) and escaped with only minor hits to the shields. I decloak-attack, buzz around a bit, and escape within 15 seconds of initially decloaking. It takes a little bit of brains and doing something other than spamming spacebar to stop that.
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# 10
03-01-2013, 07:50 AM
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Having actually played ships with them, I don't believe that battlecloaks are OP since the ships with them are only slightly less squishy than carrier pets.
See? This guys actually played ships that have the battle cloak. I'd like to further this point by adding that on top of being so squishy, you can't kill a damn thing with them. Flying one of these ships is like wearing a "You're with stupid." t-shirt.

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