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# 11
02-28-2013, 06:03 PM
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Phase cannons were the first energy weapons ever mounted on a Starfleet high-warp vessel (NX-01).
The NX-01 was not a Starfleet ship.

First Federation to bear the name Enterprise was the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701, says so on the plaque.
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# 12
02-28-2013, 06:20 PM
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The NX-01 was not a Starfleet ship.

First Federation to bear the name Enterprise was the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701, says so on the plaque.
Mild correction: the NX-01 was a Starfleet ship, but wasn't a Federation ship, Starfleet did exist before the UFP was formed.
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# 13
02-28-2013, 06:47 PM
But since in the end of the series at least following our timetraveller daniels where he shows the founding ceremony of the federation to archer implies that archer and also hin ship will probably be there when the federation is founded an thus making the nx-01 and similar build nx-02 ships of the federation
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# 14
02-28-2013, 06:50 PM
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But since in the end of the series at least following our timetraveller daniels where he shows the founding ceremony of the federation to archer implies that archer and also hin ship will probably be there when the federation is founded an thus making the nx-01 and similar build nx-02 ships of the federation
And it was all a holo simulation meaning it was all a dream and didnt happen.

God's in his heaven, all's right with the world.
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# 15
02-28-2013, 07:00 PM
Cannons are canon fed-side, too. The Defiant was equipped with them.

Granted, in some episodes it also had beams, but it most definitely had cannons.

Oh, and OP - you're trite little "if you don't agree with me, go play Star Wars" isn't really necessary. If you want to enjoy a discussion where everyone shares your opinion, talk to yourself and avoid the internet.
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# 16
02-28-2013, 07:39 PM
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And it was all a holo simulation meaning it was all a dream and didnt happen.
Wasn't that a holo run by Riker? Of the Enterprise-D?
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# 17
02-28-2013, 07:44 PM
Bee Tee Dubs ... Cannons are canon now.
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# 18
02-28-2013, 08:04 PM
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Agreed, KDF ships are usually depicted carrying either disruptor cannons, disruptor beams, or both. . .along with torpedoes.

The stretch is when you put cannons on lots of Federation ships. Yeah, you'd think they would wise up to the advantages of putting cannons on light-and-swift escorts. . .so that's explainable.

That's one of the reasons why I'd disagree with putting cannons on Federation cruisers. The Dreadnaught is a one-off, a special case. Canonically, there's nothing backing something like that.

Then there's the fact that battlecruisers are one of the few perks the KDF has left (though Cryptic's doing a fine job of encroaching on that slowly).
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Cannons are canon now.
These, pretty much. The Abrams-prise was shooting nothing BUT cannons, and is a cruiser. In fact the only ship that shot beams in the movie was the Kelvin, and even it had cannon-like rapid-fire devices (that Abrams claimed were actually photon torpedo launchers).

Sure, it's an "alternate timeline" (which as far as the people in charge are concerned is THE timeline), but hey, cannons on a cruiser.

As for the state of 2409, consider that at this time the Federation is in a near-constant state of conflict. The Klingons and the Borg are just the most open aspects of its war, but anyone who actually played missions instead of doffing and mirror-incursion-ing their way to 50 will know that your average Starfleet captain gets into more scrapes in a week than the Enterprise-D got in during her whole career. Whether or not that's truly "Trek" is a different discussion.

Suffice it to say that given modern times and modern technology (particularly O'Brien and LaForge's modular ship system) Starfleet is in no position NOT to maximize the combat potential of its captains and its ships. Even a dinky Oberth or Miranda has to be capable of taking down an Orion battlecruiser (see your very first space mission to rescue the Azura).
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# 19
02-28-2013, 08:12 PM
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Then there's the fact that battlecruisers are one of the few perks the KDF has left (though Cryptic's doing a fine job of encroaching on that slowly).
Why does the KDF need perks? Why is there a KDF faction at all?
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# 20
02-28-2013, 08:26 PM
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Bee Tee Dubs ... Cannons are canon now.
Bee Tee Dubs, Dubs ... Cannons were already canon.

And I am not referencing the memory beta info (which isn't canon) but the pic is obviously a TV screen grab of the Defiant firing phaser cannons. Canon defined but what we see on the tv and in the movies, right?

Mods - you can close this thread down now, please. I think the OP has been thoroughly debunked.

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