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# 31
03-01-2013, 01:15 PM
The damage penalty incurred by beams in exchange for a better firing arc is presumably a function of expected turn mode - if escorts could turn instantly the penalty should be zero, since there would be no downside to using cannons. But this implies that as escorts have gotten better and better turn modes, beams should have been doing more damage (or cannons doing less.)
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# 32
03-01-2013, 01:23 PM
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Why does the KDF need perks? Why is there a KDF faction at all?
At first we had perks to offset our lack of gameplay. Things like extra experience in PvP, more currency and little simple missions that where easy to do just by playing PvP.
That was it for perks.

As to why the KDF exists? Simply put, not everyone is a fed fan. Cryptic recognized this from the day the game was announced in 2008. They merely built it poorly due to circumstances and bad decisions that followed.
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# 33
03-01-2013, 01:49 PM
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I know that cannons were effective but the defiant was the "only" ship to use them all the other ships as I have explained used phaser beam strips.
So? I fail to see how that's even remotely relevant to what's happening now.

Might as well argue that during the Civil war everyone used black powered muskets, so we should still be equipping our troops with black powder muskets.

Because the two things are the same basic statement. If there was never a case of a rapid fire pulsed phaser weapon in the TV show you might have a point, because then you could say that they aren't canon. But they were used, and so they do exist. The fact that they weren't in wide use 34 years ago doesn't mean a thing in terms of canon.
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# 34
03-01-2013, 08:48 PM
Talking about what's not canon... well the worst thing is the players who call romulans, rommies and andorians andys and dilithium dil, and boffs and doffs and people in earth space dock... cannons being canon are the least of our worries. Those people murder this game.

and if any fleets in the game that don't use those horrible idiot words, that actually speak normal, and who aren't going to leave me at some low rank are recruiting or exist, let me know please in a private message. Also no forced to play on certain days. I have a life.

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# 35
03-03-2013, 01:33 PM
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Mods - you can close this thread down now, please. I think the OP has been thoroughly debunked.
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# 36
03-03-2013, 05:50 PM
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Phase cannons were the first energy weapons ever mounted on a Starfleet high-warp vessel (NX-01).

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/File..._schematic.jpg

Granted, this model was more like a turret, but how are they "not canon"?
But they weren't really *cannons* phase cannons are beam weapons as well.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Phase_cannon
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# 37
03-03-2013, 06:36 PM
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Bee Tee Dubs, Dubs ... Cannons were already canon.
Weren't they canon even before that?

Granted, TWoK had something kind of an amalgam of cannons and beams...
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# 38
03-03-2013, 09:46 PM
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Talking about what's not canon... well the worst thing is the players who call romulans, rommies and andorians andys and dilithium dil, and boffs and doffs and people in earth space dock... cannons being canon are the least of our worries. Those people murder this game.

and if any fleets in the game that don't use those horrible idiot words, that actually speak normal, and who aren't going to leave me at some low rank are recruiting or exist, let me know please in a private message. Also no forced to play on certain days. I have a life.
Lol look at this giy lololol look at this guy,

Yr not gonna find a fleet thats NOT gonna usethose abbrviations, especially in text chat.

What do you think this thread is about anyway?
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# 39
03-03-2013, 09:51 PM
This thread made me stare at my footer and smile
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# 40
03-03-2013, 10:12 PM
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I know that cannons were effective but the defiant was the "only" ship to use them all the other ships as I have explained used phaser beam strips.
The Defiant was not the only ship to use them.

The NX-01 had them:
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Plasma_cannon

The good old 1701 pre refit had them too:
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Proximity_blast

As someone else said the Phasers in ST:II TWoK fired with a pulsed effect.

If we look to hand weapons the Phasers in TOS and Enterprise also could fire cannon like pulses.
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