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# 101
03-02-2013, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by millimidget View Post
That's why I wasn't too bothered by your cavalier "I don't mind watching everyone else suffer so long as I can pay cash to avoid it" attitude you displayed earlier.
Well that's not exactly my view, my view is that the current content makes grinding something that people suffer through and that I don't like to see.

But I would like some kind of equality between those who are cash-rich and those who are time-rich. As it stands those with more time to play than me have an advantage I would like to see more options for those of us with less time to be able to buy progress.

That the current content people have to grind is terribly tedious is unfortunate either way you look at it.
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# 102
03-02-2013, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by thisisoverlord View Post
For me Pay 2 Win is when there are game-breakingly good items that only paying customers have access to.

And there isn't too much of that content.
I agree.

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That the current content people have to grind is terribly tedious is unfortunate either way you look at it.
Not really. There's plenty of stuff too do, it's just that not everything is worth doing due to crappy rewards.
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# 103
03-02-2013, 04:18 PM
I read most of the post in this thread and I see no one posting what items are p2w.Yes this game has broken items or stupid items or traits (placate is one) ,but none are p2w.The best things in the game are worth zero if you dont know how to use your ship /buffs or how to equip your ship or how to skill your toon.

Everything is obtainable in game with some grind.What can be a problem is the amount of time you need to spend grinding to get certain items (for 1 lobi store console 200 lobi you need to grind @50 master key worth of ec ....if those are the p2w things in the game )...grind in this game is a problem not only for f2p players (reputation system)


as for pvp ....this game will never have good 1 vs 1 pvp .Team pvp in this game is brilliant and if the game would have some kind of pvp tutorial (in which people to learn about distribute shields and how and when to use buffs) we'd see many many people playing pvp not complaining about how "escort popped my ship".

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Not really. There's plenty of stuff too do, it's just that not everything is worth doing due to crappy rewards.

The game has rewards? lol

I thought everything is in your personal grinding list a.k.a reputation system :p

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# 104
03-02-2013, 04:33 PM
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I read most of the post in this thread and I see no one posting what items are p2w.Yes this game has broken items or stupid items or traits (placate is one) ,but none are p2w.
The Jem Hadar Attack Ship has been mentioned at least a dozen times. If you want to argue why it isn't pay-to-win, go right ahead.

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The best things in the game are worth zero if you dont know how to use your ship /buffs or how to equip your ship or how to skill your toon.
Your literal interpretation of the term 'pay-to-win' is a poor argument. No game would actually sell a guaranteed win. What games do sell is items that give better odds at winning. Like the Jem Hadar Attack Ship.
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# 105
03-02-2013, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by evendzhar View Post
The Jem Hadar Attack Ship has been mentioned at least a dozen times. If you want to argue why it isn't pay-to-win, go right ahead


Your literal interpretation of the term 'pay-to-win' is a poor argument. No game would actually sell a guaranteed win. What games do sell is items that give better odds at winning. Like the Jem Hadar Attack Ship.
I see you developed a small obsession about that ship.

how is that ship p2w?just buy one from exchange.What stops you to buy a ship from exchange?Is it grind? If its grind maybe everyone should get everything from tutorial (the box where you get your first kit and weapon) and have no reason to play.

Not even in pve where damage/dps are important to "win" the first place in sb24 JHAS is p2w .There are ships which deliver more damage than JHAS.

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# 106
03-02-2013, 04:52 PM
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how is that ship p2w?just buy one from exchange.
How does my ability to buy a JHAS from the exchange make it not p2w? People spend around $250 on average to obtain one; that includes the ones that end up on the exchange. Those JHAS were obtained by people who paid to win, they just for some reason decided not to take advantage of it.

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Not even in pve where damage/dps are important to "win" the first place in sb24 JHAS is p2w .There are ships which deliver more damage than JHAS.
Because there is nothing more to a ship than dee pee es.

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# 107
03-02-2013, 05:01 PM
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Of course the problem is that Cryptic thinks Pay 2 Win is alright, especially if its making them money. They are not likely to fix anything while it makes them money.

Cryptic = Greedy

There is no point talking about this, its not going to change anything and ultimately, its the way the game is going to go.
You've made those statements several times now, but I haven't seen you present any supporting evidence. Could you provide some reasons why you feel that way?

Unless you truly think there's no point talking about this, which seems unlikely, since you keep talking about this.
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# 108
03-02-2013, 05:06 PM
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How does my ability to buy a JHAS from the exchange make it not p2w? People spend around $250 on average to obtain one; that includes the ones that end up on the exchange.


Because there is nothing more to a ship than dee pee es.
so for you p2w is both real world money and ec?

you need the game version with all ingame items for free in the tutorial.No reason to play or grind.

if you buy it with ec you dont care about that guy who paid 250 dollars for it and wants few hundred millions ec unless you forced that person to spend money .

still I dont know how is that ship p2w .Win what? PvP 1 vs 1 is s*** with or without that ship.In team pvp with a dedicated healer you will want a escort with more dps (defiant ,mvam) .In team pvp you will rarely see escorts dogfights to need jhas turn rate.

I know someone who thinks the way jhas looks makes it op (easy to see the 45degrees dhc firing arc )
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# 109
03-02-2013, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by syberghost View Post
You've made those statements several times now, but I haven't seen you present any supporting evidence. Could you provide some reasons why you feel that way?

Unless you truly think there's no point talking about this, which seems unlikely, since you keep talking about this.
I would like to see some evidence to show that Cryptic are not Greedy... Look around you... Bugs that have been here for almost 2-3 years have gone unfixed, a lockbox system that Cryptic refuses to post probability figures for because that would probably discourage people from getting it... I have a few more points if you are interested.

- Trying to remove a decent number of Fleet Marks because players progressing too fast. The Fleet Starbase system has been out for almost a year now.

- Limited content development compared to release of new ships and profit driven items... etc... You can argue that the Dev team that develops content is not the same as the ship designers but then what is the Content Devs doing rather then twiddling their thumbs?

- Ridiculous Starbase progression products. Tier 2 Military Shipyard costs 120,000 Dilithium which is hard unless you are part of a large, "faceless" Fleet.

- Completely Pointless Featured Projects, which continue to serve no usual purpose and are not worth the 200,000 Dilithium asked for them. They are not even worth 10,000.

- Reputation Items Require Dilithium which you didn't need to get the M.A.C.O, Omega Force or Borg sets in the past.

Not to mention, the "Stealth Nerf" to private PvP which only came in this week and was only added to the patch notes during the game downtime so that minimum people would be away of the change.

I am sure that lots and lots of people could offer additional reasons why Cryptic's reputation is considered to be worse then a politicians. Because they have repeatedly promised things and failed to deliver to the standard demanded by the player-base.

However, I am sure if the Z-Store broke for any reason, the entire of Cryptic Studios would be straight on to fixing it.

Last edited by warbird001; 03-02-2013 at 06:01 PM.
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# 110
03-02-2013, 06:09 PM
So, which one of those things you listed is Pay 2 Win?
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