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# 101
03-02-2013, 10:00 PM
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okay but did it toss out the past or just retells it in a more modern light?
That's hard to say, it's much more realistic, this Bond has the bearing of a man that kills for a living but doesn't seem to like his job, this Bond has demons and has closed himself off from part of his humanity, he's not the jovial womanizer of the Roger Moore days, he is much more stoic. There are no gimmicks, no Lotus submarines or gyrocopters in a dufflebag, Q seems to have been put out of business so the Bond surrounded by techno-wizardry that fans may be familiar with isn't there. I don't know if you would refer to that as tossing out the past, it would seems it's closer to the original authors intent before it was turned almost campy with all of the sci fi gimmickry and comedic nonsense.
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# 102
03-03-2013, 09:04 AM
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Picard was moved to a timeline where the X exists, that is the story that connects that timeline with our own and that may well have been the final configuration planned for the ship had it not been destroyed. Since relations with the Klingons have clearly deteriorated a design to content with them would be inevitable. A 3 Nacelle dreadnaught is part of Star Trek soft canon though it was based on the Constitution class, given that the Galaxy class evolved from the Constitution class, a 3 Nacelle Dreadnaught following a similar design evolution isn't unreasonable. No such story as Picard's adventure, that connects the Abrams universe with our own exists and that is what would be needed to explain any technology crossing over, even if it is something as silly and stupid as Q pulling it across timelines to amuse himself.
I guess you are forgetting about Prime Spock
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# 103
03-03-2013, 09:11 AM
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What does JJ Wreck do? takes all the decades of Star Trek, wrap it all up and chucks it. Thus NOT CANON
Still has nothing to do with making it canon or not.
I think Abrams version is very respectful to Star Trek. He could have done a movie that tosses out everything but he made it in an alternate reality. Everything that happened before still happened. This game is proof of that. Instead of thinking of the new universe replacing the old think of it like the Mirror Universe. A timeline that occurs alongside the Prime one.
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# 104
03-03-2013, 09:33 AM
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okay but did it toss out the past or just retells it in a more modern light?
The new Bond movies are a straight-up reboot. JJ made a deliberate effort to make sure his movies, while new, don't overwrite what came before.
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# 105
03-03-2013, 09:35 AM
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Still has nothing to do with making it canon or not.
I think Abrams version is very respectful to Star Trek. He could have done a movie that tosses out everything but he made it in an alternate reality. Everything that happened before still happened. This game is proof of that. Instead of thinking of the new universe replacing the old think of it like the Mirror Universe. A timeline that occurs alongside the Prime one.
Exactly this

That's what you still don't get to understand admiralq1732: JJ's Trek did not, repeat NOT, overwrite or toss out any of the original Star Trek. Everything that we saw happen in TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT, happened.

The only thing JJ's Trek did to the original timeline, was have Romulus explode, and have Prime Spock and Nero 'disappear' when they really went into the alternate timeline. Result? The timeline we see in JJ's Trek exists alongside the Prime Universe, instead of replacing or overwriting it.

It's not that hard to get imo
Was named Trek17, but still an author.
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# 106
03-03-2013, 01:39 PM
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Exactly this

That's what you still don't get to understand admiralq1732: JJ's Trek did not, repeat NOT, overwrite or toss out any of the original Star Trek. Everything that we saw happen in TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT, happened.

The only thing JJ's Trek did to the original timeline, was have Romulus explode, and have Prime Spock and Nero 'disappear' when they really went into the alternate timeline. Result? The timeline we see in JJ's Trek exists alongside the Prime Universe, instead of replacing or overwriting it.

It's not that hard to get imo
Still not canon. also there's no reason for the ship to be in here and final fact you think the Temperal people would notice such an event but they are not seen. It's JJ trying to reboot the series in his own way and failing. If he screws up Star Wars as well God help him.
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# 107
03-03-2013, 01:57 PM
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Still not canon. also there's no reason for the ship to be in here and final fact you think the Temperal people would notice such an event but they are not seen. It's JJ trying to reboot the series in his own way and failing. If he screws up Star Wars as well God help him.
Well, I tried *sighs* I don't think there's anything I can do to cure such desperate delusions imo... at least I hope it's not that (I'd prefer it being simple denial)

Still, however much you think otherwise, you're still wrong: JJ Trek is canon, end of story and discussion.
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# 108
03-03-2013, 01:57 PM
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Still not canon. also there's no reason for the ship to be in here and final fact you think the Temperal people would notice such an event but they are not seen. It's JJ trying to reboot the series in his own way and failing. If he screws up Star Wars as well God help him.
Having a bit of Deja Vu here. I know I was part of a similar discussion about the JJ Enterprise and the JJ movies in general, less than an hour ago in TTS chat.

The JJ movies are no more or less canon than the previous 5 tv-series and 10 movies. The only difference is, while the previous Trek canon is part of one timeline, the JJ movie is a new timeline.

"Anything that can happen, does happen, in parallel realities to our own."

You may substitute reality for timeline as you see fit. The meaning is ultimately the same. The JJ timeline exists parallel to the "Prime timeline". It did not replace or overwrite the existing one as we know it. Unlike the "Back to the Future" concept of time, with just 1 timeline that can be altered, the JJ movie(s) chose the multiverse concept of time, where there are literally an infinite amount of timelines each co-existing with our own.

The shape of each reality is based on what choices we make, and their following outcomes. The best way to describe it, is as such:

You come to a fork in the road. Do you turn left, or do you turn right? In this reality you choose to turn left. After turning left, you end up getting hit by a car, and die.

In another reality, you instead chose to turn right at the fork. This time, you aren't hit by a car, and you aren't killed. You go on with your life for many many years after this event, ultimately reshaping the "universe" around you, much different from the one in which you may have chosen to turn left. In that universe, you died, and were unable to effect much change on the universe as a whole.
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# 109
03-03-2013, 02:18 PM
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Still not canon. also there's no reason for the ship to be in here and final fact you think the Temperal people would notice such an event but they are not seen. It's JJ trying to reboot the series in his own way and failing. If he screws up Star Wars as well God help him.
I don't think you quite understand what canon means.

"\'ka-nen\ (n.) - a sanctioned or accepted group or body of related works."

The Abrams movie is accepted as official by the producers and 99.999% of the fanbase. So it's canon.

There's really nothing more I can say that hasn't been said a dozen times before.
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# 110
03-03-2013, 02:32 PM
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Still not canon. also there's no reason for the ship to be in here and final fact you think the Temperal people would notice such an event but they are not seen. It's JJ trying to reboot the series in his own way and failing. If he screws up Star Wars as well God help him.
haha

"failing"

Right. Only if the universe revolves around you and what you think (it does not).
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