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# 31
03-01-2013, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by trek21 View Post
That's kinda why you don't get all the hate... because you're not as big a fan of Star Trek as many of us are

Many believe that a Star Trek film should be set according to the Prime Universe's rules: peace, fighting-only-when-necessary, and otherwise be a thought-provoking type of thing. This is despite the fact that JJ's Trek takes place in an alternate reality, and therefore, it is not contractually bound to follow those rules.

People have issues with that, in many different forms, quite simply I think.
I can see how what you guys mean. If you compare it to the Godzilla films, all of them were fairly similar until the 98' American Godzilla that we all hated. Thankfully that didn't turn into a new movie saga.

Or the Bayformers, that would be another example. However, the extreme amount of hatred is almost uncalled for. Abrams didn't destroy Star Trek, far from that, he made it better for the current generation and era. Yes it is more similar to Star Wars, but people like action and explosions. Sadly the cries against the JJ Trek isn't loud enough to stop it and probably wont ever be. Same with Transformers.

Godzilla on the other hand... Everyone hated that 98 remake besides the few Americans who had never seen the older ones before. And thankfully more Godzilla movies have been confirmed for 2014 and he'll actually look similar to the older version but more updated.

Basically what i'm saying is that the ratio of People who hate JJ Trek to People who like it is a very unbalanced scale.
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# 32
03-01-2013, 02:51 PM
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I can see how what you guys mean. If you compare it to the Godzilla films, all of them were fairly similar until the 98' American Godzilla that we all hated. Thankfully that didn't turn into a new movie saga.

Or the Bayformers, that would be another example. However, the extreme amount of hatred is almost uncalled for. Abrams didn't destroy Star Trek, far from that, he made it better for the current generation and era. Yes it is more similar to Star Wars, but people like action and explosions. Sadly the cries against the JJ Trek isn't loud enough to stop it and probably wont ever be. Same with Transformers.

Godzilla on the other hand... Everyone hated that 98 remake besides the few Americans who had never seen the older ones before. And thankfully more Godzilla movies have been confirmed for 2014 and he'll actually look similar to the older version but more updated.

Basically what i'm saying is that the ratio of People who hate JJ Trek to People who like it is a very unbalanced scale.
I liked the American Godzilla though it could have been tons better but i still love the Japanese Godzilla. Also the American Godzilla didn't throw out the spirit of what Godzilla was and if you saw the cartoon it became more in line with JG. Also AG didn't toss away JG at all, JJ Wreck does
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# 33
03-01-2013, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by captainamericax View Post
I can see how what you guys mean. If you compare it to the Godzilla films, all of them were fairly similar until the 98' American Godzilla that we all hated. Thankfully that didn't turn into a new movie saga.

Or the Bayformers, that would be another example. However, the extreme amount of hatred is almost uncalled for. Abrams didn't destroy Star Trek, far from that, he made it better for the current generation and era. Yes it is more similar to Star Wars, but people like action and explosions. Sadly the cries against the JJ Trek isn't loud enough to stop it and probably wont ever be. Same with Transformers.

Godzilla on the other hand... Everyone hated that 98 remake besides the few Americans who had never seen the older ones before. And thankfully more Godzilla movies have been confirmed for 2014 and he'll actually look similar to the older version but more updated.

Basically what i'm saying is that the ratio of People who hate JJ Trek to People who like it is a very unbalanced scale.
Whereas with JJ Trek, many who were otherwise not interested in Star Trek loved it The reaction among former+existing ST fans is mixed, but that's to be expected.

People have different opinions about the movie, that's okay. The sheer amount of illogical hatred though, yeah, that's uncalled for... especially for those few who can't seem to get this is an alternate reality Star Trek: ie it's never gonna be like the others, and for good reason.

It doesn't help that those who hate it are more vocal than those who liked it
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JJ Wreck does
I fail to see any logical reason for that.

JJ Trek exists as an alternate timeline alongside the Primse Universe: it didn't overwrite it. The only new things that happened to the original Star Trek are that Romulus exploded, and Spock+Nero 'disappeared'. That's it
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# 34
03-01-2013, 02:53 PM
I know this will do nothing to stem the irrational hatred for J. J. Abrams, but:

  1. He actually does have a great deal of respect for Star Trek. Which is why he went to such great lengths to put his movie in an alternate timeline when he could have simply s**t-canned the IP and rebooted everything from scratch. (And had he done so, he could have saved himself about 40minutes of technobabble and replaced that with many, many more explosions.)

  2. Working on Star Trek has actually converted him into a fan. He's said so in many interviews. He's also made Into Darkness far more character-driven as the best Trek has always been.

  3. JJTrek has made many, many more new fans of the franchise than it has driven away. (You're still here, aren't you?) Anything that draws people to Star Trek cannot be considered evil.


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# 35
03-01-2013, 02:54 PM
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i wish JJ never got his hands on my trek.

the guy him self said he dosnt like star trek but like star wars and wants to make it more star wars like. i despise jj dumbing down trek turning it into another pew pew lense flare peice of crap.

the sooner he moves on to some thing else the better star trek will be. he should stick to bad tv shows or star wars
Now hold on a minute.

I contest the notion that JJ Abrams "dumbed down" Star Trek. Voyager and Enterprise were both very dumb shows. Neither show took full advantage of their settings, introduced some very stupid and/or just unlikeable characters, and had an over-reliance on Time Travel (especially in Voyager's case, where they used time travel just about every other episode to reset the ship and maintain the Status Quo).

Sitting through eleven seasons of Voyager and Enterprise, as well as Insurrection and Nemesis ... yeah, I hated Star Trek then, too.
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# 36
03-01-2013, 02:55 PM
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I know this will do nothing to stem the irrational hatred for J. J. Abrams, but:

  1. He actually does have a great deal of respect for Star Trek. Which is why he went to such great lengths to put his movie in an alternate timeline when he could have simply s**t-canned the IP and rebooted everything from scratch. (And had he done so, he could have saved himself about 40minutes of technobabble and replaced that with many, many more explosions.)

  2. Working on Star Trek has actually converted him into a fan. He's said so in many interviews. He's also made Into Darkness far more character-driven as the best Trek has always been.

  3. JJTrek has made many, many more new fans of the franchise than it has driven away. (You're still here, aren't you?) Anything that draws people to Star Trek cannot be considered evil.
Yeah, it probably won't, but I do agree Especially with #3
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# 37
03-01-2013, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by admiralq1732 View Post
I liked the American Godzilla though it could have been tons better but i still love the Japanese Godzilla. Also the American Godzilla didn't throw out the spirit of what Godzilla was and if you saw the cartoon it became more in line with JG. Also AG didn't toss away JG at all, JJ Wreck does
I'm not trying to start a rage fest about the subject, but the US Godzilla was really nothing like the Japanese one. First off, the designers were told to make Godzilla fast and agile. They werent told to keep him looking like Godzilla so that is one of the fanbases first gripes. Secondly, he didnt breath fire in the movie, it was like a gas that ignited some nearby fire. Also Godzilla doesnt eat fish, lay or eggs, or look like a giant Iguana.

And I did watch the Cartoon and it was decent, but not Godzilla. Now the Godzilla 2000 saga after the 98 film was what Godzilla should be.

And before we get this off of track, back to Star Trek.

The hate for JJ is also pretty bad for Trekkies, but wait till Star Wars: Episode VII comes out. If it isn't like how Star Wars fans want it to be... Just imagine the reign of terror to commence...
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# 38
03-01-2013, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by sander233 View Post
I know this will do nothing to stem the irrational hatred for J. J. Abrams, but:

  1. He actually does have a great deal of respect for Star Trek. Which is why he went to such great lengths to put his movie in an alternate timeline when he could have simply s**t-canned the IP and rebooted everything from scratch. (And had he done so, he could have saved himself about 40minutes of technobabble and replaced that with many, many more explosions.)

  2. Working on Star Trek has actually converted him into a fan. He's said so in many interviews. He's also made Into Darkness far more character-driven as the best Trek has always been.

  3. JJTrek has made many, many more new fans of the franchise than it has driven away. (You're still here, aren't you?) Anything that draws people to Star Trek cannot be considered evil.
we're hear for this is true trek JJ Wreck was an atytempt at reboot that isn't working well. What it's well known is JJ Wreck 1 failed outside the US
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# 39
03-01-2013, 03:05 PM
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we're hear for this is true trek JJ Wreck was an atytempt at reboot that isn't working well. What it's well known is JJ Wreck 1 failed outside the US
So? Not one of the Prime Universe Star Trek's did well overseas either, compared to domestic Star Trek's never sold well overseas, and Paramount has admitted that despite only a 33% international gross with JJ Trek, they're satisfied with that.

And I fail to see how more-than-double-it's-budget plus very positive critic/commercial response (even if fan reaction has both those who never saw ST but loved it, or older fans who either liked it or not) equals 'not working well'.

That just doesn't sound logical.
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# 40
03-01-2013, 03:08 PM
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we're hear for this is true trek JJ Wreck was an atytempt at reboot that isn't working well. What it's well known is JJ Wreck 1 failed outside the US
It made about $120 million overseas. Some movies wish they would fail like that.

Not every movie can be The Avengers.
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