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# 11
03-11-2013, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by lordmalak1 View Post
Am currently looking for XXXX XX / XX X / XXX in a 4 3 3 config that turns around 14 with at least a 29000 hull and a 4/3 weps layout.



<edit> too many exes
so srsly? you are "looking" for this...the breen cruiser has all this and more.

and the first response is..."get a mobius!" is this really just happening?
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# 12
03-11-2013, 12:44 PM
Yet another agile tac cruiser concept involving a new type of beam arrays that feed power into each other creating a single more powerful beam (one per facing). It would look more Trek-ish, and would be capable of some particularly nasty spike damage with BOs; but it wouldn't mess with the base DPS (or shouldn't anyway).

Beyond the fact that it should have an LT. Comm tac Boff slot, so that it can access all ranks of BO, I'm not too fussed about the Boff layout. Stats roughly equivalent to the Fleet Heavy Cruiser Retrofit would be adequate (even the normal retrofit, so long as it got the third tac console off the fleet version).

On a somewhat related note, I'd be more inclined to buy ships that have a kind of retro costume available. Not TOS, or even genuinely old looking; rather, as though the designer just had a fondness for retro styling. I spent money on the Bellerophon simply because of how smooth and clean its hull looked (plus the white-ish type 6 hull material).
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# 13
03-11-2013, 12:44 PM
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I'm just going to uncategorically refuse to buy anything from their store or refrain from doing anything that directly contributes money into their coffers until I have a cruiser worth using.
Now is your opportunity to tell us what that means to you.
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# 14
03-11-2013, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by momaw View Post
Now is your opportunity to tell us what that means to you.
I want to do enough damage so that an escort can't just sit behind me and hammer away at me while I'm failing to even dent their frontal quadrant.

I want an offensive cruiser without having to significantly compromise my tanking abilities.

I want a cruiser that has abilities and weapons worth using.

More importantly, I want them to LISTEN, and to TALK about this. I don't want this to be brushed aside or ignored. I want the concerns of myself and others in a similar position to be addressed. I want them to pay attention to overarching game issues and not to focus exclusively on lockbox content and new C-store ships.

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# 15
03-11-2013, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by baudl View Post
so srsly? you are "looking" for this...the breen cruiser has all this and more.

and the first response is..."get a mobius!" is this really just happening?
Why yes, srsly.
Breen cruiser is a bit slow on the turn, mobius/krenn is still a bit ENG console light, and is the MMRE, and klink side fleet scourge is a bit tac heavy. The OP asked what I'd buy, I listed what I would look for @ the C-store. I'd love to try some of those higher level sci powers without giving up too much pew-pew, but to trade both for healing power is WHY I don't touch cruisers.

A cloak on my asked for ship would be a sure sale.
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# 16
03-11-2013, 01:56 PM
Cryptic is drawing a conclusion from its sales figures but not putting all of the information in context.

Want to know why escorts sell better?

Well yes, they do perform better in their current end-game grindy grind setup.

But that wasn't always the case.

And Cryptic seems to willfully forget that they themselves SATURATED the cruiser market.

There's how many cruisers for sale?

Three Odyssey class cruisers. Two Galaxy class cruisers (the retro and the deradnaught) and a Galaxy venture skin. One Reagent. One Excelsior. The Exeter. The TOS Connie. Supposedly the Miranda was added to the store too?

Then in the fleet there's the Fleet Cheyenne, Fleet Imperial, Fleet Nomad, Fleet Galaxy, Fleet Excelsior. The Fleet Ambassador too.

There's talk of a New Orleans class ship on the way. It's a cruiser.

The Nebula is a science ship that flies like a cruiser.

Oh and don't forget the Mirror Cruisers.

And lockbox cruisers like the D'Kora and Galor.

There's just too many available cruisers. It's reached a saturation point. By now, the cruiser fan has too many choices. If someone bought an Odyssey, and are flying it happily, why would they consider buying a Fleet Ambassador? Or a Reagent? If someone's been locked into the extremely effective Excelsior, and then went and got the Fleet version, why would they bother with anything else?

Too many cruisers.

Yeah, escorts sell well. And part of that is they do well in certain aspects of gameplay. But let's not forget that there have been a lot less escorts for sale in this game. Cryptic's pushed so many cruisers out, it's now a saturated market.
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# 17
03-11-2013, 02:05 PM
I'll just be happy with a federation version of the Fleet Tor'kaht.
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# 18
03-11-2013, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by snoggymack22 View Post
Cryptic is drawing a conclusion from its sales figures but not putting all of the information in context.

Want to know why escorts sell better?

Well yes, they do perform better in their current end-game grindy grind setup.

But that wasn't always the case.

And Cryptic seems to willfully forget that they themselves SATURATED the cruiser market.

There's how many cruisers for sale?

Three Odyssey class cruisers. Two Galaxy class cruisers (the retro and the deradnaught) and a Galaxy venture skin. One Reagent. One Excelsior. The Exeter. The TOS Connie. Supposedly the Miranda was added to the store too?

Then in the fleet there's the Fleet Cheyenne, Fleet Imperial, Fleet Nomad, Fleet Galaxy, Fleet Excelsior. The Fleet Ambassador too.

There's talk of a New Orleans class ship on the way. It's a cruiser.

The Nebula is a science ship that flies like a cruiser.

Oh and don't forget the Mirror Cruisers.

And lockbox cruisers like the D'Kora and Galor.

There's just too many available cruisers. It's reached a saturation point. By now, the cruiser fan has too many choices. If someone bought an Odyssey, and are flying it happily, why would they consider buying a Fleet Ambassador? Or a Reagent? If someone's been locked into the extremely effective Excelsior, and then went and got the Fleet version, why would they bother with anything else?

Too many cruisers.

Yeah, escorts sell well. And part of that is they do well in certain aspects of gameplay. But let's not forget that there have been a lot less escorts for sale in this game. Cryptic's pushed so many cruisers out, it's now a saturated market.
True, but I'm inclined to agree with the OP's assessment that they're mostly a bit boring (well OK, he didn't say boring... but we know that's what he meant ).

Not boring ones could stand out enough to get attention; even in a saturated market.
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# 19
03-11-2013, 04:22 PM
Personally I think they would make more money if they sold components instead of entire ships. For instance, you like your breen ship, than why not be able to purchase a Gal X or Connie for instance that is literally a blank slate. You can purchase your sci, eng, tac slots for both consoles and Boff spots. You can than purchase your hull strength, etc... Yes, I know, the game would be out of balance then but most would have you believe it is anyways. This way at least, you actually get to fly the ship you really want instead of wishing you could instead!

I prefer cruisers and do like my Breen, but I wish that even as a tact captain I could use the ship I want instead of the ships that work best for my playstyle, if you know what I mean? Anyways, at this point Id settle for my Breen reskinned as a Fed ship of my choice.
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# 20
03-11-2013, 04:28 PM
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There's just too many available cruisers. It's reached a saturation point. By now, the cruiser fan has too many choices. If someone bought an Odyssey, and are flying it happily, why would they consider buying a Fleet Ambassador? Or a Reagent? If someone's been locked into the extremely effective Excelsior, and then went and got the Fleet version, why would they bother with anything else?

Too many cruisers.

Yeah, escorts sell well. And part of that is they do well in certain aspects of gameplay. But let's not forget that there have been a lot less escorts for sale in this game. Cryptic's pushed so many cruisers out, it's now a saturated market.
You hit the nail on the head here.It is just that Fed cruiser have harder time competing agaist Kdf criusers.What do you expect that have better manuvablity than Fed CAs or BCHs.

There doesn't need to be any more CAs give them more eng slots for RCS consols.
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