Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 21
03-11-2013, 08:59 PM
as others have noted, the specific groups you mentioned are not really responsible for changes that affect the majority in a negative way. it's really just small groups within those groups that whine and complain, and eventually get what they want, but in a bastardized way that even they are not happy with.

for example, i'm not too happy about foundry authors influencing the changes to foundry rewards. but i know very well that it's just a few of the prominent ones that had a fit, so i dont hold all authors responsible, there are many good authors out there that are perfectly able to play well with others. after all the controversy about the foundry, there's no way cryptic will reverse the changes, so i dont really complain since it wont accomplish anything, i just dont play missions from those authors anymore.

as for most other things, i dont think cryptic is really catering to a specific group of players, they're just doing what they think will make a better game. and right there is the problem. cryptic is a game company, and they care most about making a good game. which is the opposite of what would make sto good. they just don't understand or recognize the profit potential of making it good star trek. i'll never believe that anyone in a decision making position at cryptic is a star trek fan, if they were, sto would be much better. maybe they watched a few episodes with their dad, or maybe they got paid to watch some star trek in order to help them create the game. but saying they are star trek fans is like saying jar jar abrams is a star trek fan. the evidence is in the product.
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Rihannsu
Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 22
03-11-2013, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by janewaywarrior View Post
... somebody who actually can bring balance to the game.
Ah you speak of the prophecy of the one that will being balance to STO?

But I see much nerf in and nerfing leads to anger; anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering ...

But at least we would get rid of the PvPlings ... annoying 14 years olds ... I can leave with that, beats Darth Insulator anyway.
Career Officer
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# 23
03-11-2013, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by janewaywarrior View Post
Obligation. Simply: We give them our money to improve the game, not p*** about with it.
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Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 24
03-11-2013, 09:03 PM
I think you vastly underestimate the amount of time and effort that goes into 'tweaking' things. Devs have to check for balance, run it through QA, make sure it doesn't accidentally cause new bugs, then see how it's behaving in the wild with players. Oh, and they might have to get their supervisors to approve that they work on thing X, because they can't have everyone going in a million different directions. And they have to make sure a guy from Department Y is available to support what they're doing.


You, on the other hand, just vomit up a couple of ideas including buffing beam damage by 50% (!?!) and think that it shows that their job is easy enough to do twice over, once for PvE and once for PvP. Devs aren't perfect, but they have a lot more to worry about than you give them credit for.
Lieutenant
Join Date: Mar 2013
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# 25
03-11-2013, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by f2pdrakron View Post
Ah you speak of the prophecy of the one that will being balance to STO?

But I see much nerf in and nerfing leads to anger; anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering ...

But at least we would get rid of the PvPlings ... annoying 14 years olds ... I can leave with that, beats Darth Insulator anyway.
I believe I could do a much better job then Geko, that is for sure. All ships would get equal thought and attention, not just the ones I like. I would listen to the players and respond to as many posts as possible to make sure people understood that I am doing this, not for the money but because of my love and passion for trek. That's it! Cryptic has absolutely no vision or passion for Star Trek.

Oh and they cause enough bugs buy uploading broken stuff from tribble to holodeck despite what players have said. Just look at the KDF.
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# 26
03-11-2013, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by janewaywarrior View Post
But it is curious that Cryptic tried to nerf the number of Fleet marks after a "select" few Fleets reached Tier 5 in their Starbase. Is that a coincidence or convieniant timing? Same with the loss of Dilithium from the Foundry.
I'd say it's because Cryptic didn't want those fleets to do it, not that they wanted those fleets to have an advantage.

More of a case of, "They did what? Batten down the hatches!"

Less of a case of, "Our buddies made it, let's seal the barrier behind them."

Among other things, if Cryptic wanted to artificially boost certain fleets, it wouldn't matter what the requirements were.

Moreover, I think it shows a pretty severe misunderstanding of the forum community to group the divides this way:

Quote:
Cryptic and their lovers;

- Major Fleets
- Major PvPers
- Developers
- Moderators

vs

- Casual Players
- Star Trek "Fans" (People who were fans before this game was released)
- Newbs
- Intelligent People
- Small Fleets
The "Intelligent People" line is a totally imbalanced jab. But in general, I find large fleets are precisely where people who are hardcore Star Trek fans tend to gather. PvPers tend to be more socially isolated, even if they're in large fleets...

And Cryptic generally errs on casual players' side over true 24-7 grind players. With the key being that, yes, they want your money. They want all of it. But the game is easier to buy your way through than grind your way through and favoring money is favoring casual.

And it's downright insulting to suggest that some group of Star Trek fans weren't fans of Trek before this game was released. Now, I'd imagine some weren't before the 2009 movie but even then I think it's insulting to them (and a case of ageism against younger people) to suggest they are inherently inferior. (And, frankly, I get sick of people who imply that age is superior to youth or that younger players aren't often some of the best. And I'm probably around the mid-point, age-wise, but I flat out think that teenagers will probably be better than you and I'm sick of seeing gamers equate youth with an insult.)

And if you're going to throw around wild accusations...?

Calm down or kindly get out of the community. If you think a game isn't for you? Maybe it isn't. Stop spending money and stop talking about it and stop treating it as some kind of an injustice if a game isn't targeted at you.

I have major issues and disagreements with Cryptic. But if you feel as disenfranchised as you sound, maybe the game isn't for you and maybe you shouldn't act like it's some injustice that it's not.
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# 27
03-11-2013, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by janewaywarrior View Post
Obligation. Simply: We give them our money to improve the game, not p*** about with it.
What is the p word you are censoring? I can't seem to figure it out. My first thought was putz. But I can't bring myself to think of that as offensive in any way.
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Captain
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# 28
03-11-2013, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by janewaywarrior View Post
I believe I could do a much better job then Geko, that is for sure. All ships would get equal thought and attention, not just the ones I like. I would listen to the players and respond to as many posts as possible to make sure people understood that I am doing this, not for the money but because of my love and passion for trek. That's it! Cryptic has absolutely no vision or passion for Star Trek.

Oh and they cause enough bugs buy uploading broken stuff from tribble to holodeck despite what players have said. Just look at the KDF.
That is not the Dev you're looking for. The one you speak of is Gozer, who, well, doesn't work at Cryptic anymore.
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Career Officer
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# 29
03-11-2013, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by blevok View Post
i'll never believe that anyone in a decision making position at cryptic is a star trek fan, if they were, sto would be much better. maybe they watched a few episodes with their dad, or maybe they got paid to watch some star trek in order to help them create the game. but saying they are star trek fans is like saying jar jar abrams is a star trek fan. the evidence is in the product.
LOL, have you seen pictures of some of their desks? With whole fleets of ST ship models? Or pictures of DStahl or Geko in uniforms? They're probably bigger fans than you or I. Assuming they aren't because you don't approve of their job is silly. Even uber Trekkies have to pay bills, and game design has to balance art (the idealistic game experience) and reality (something that keeps the lights on at cryptic and the little baby trekkies fed).
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# 30
03-11-2013, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by janewaywarrior View Post
I believe I could do a much better job then Geko, that is for sure. All ships would get equal thought and attention, not just the ones I like. I would listen to the players and respond to as many posts as possible to make sure people understood that I am doing this, not for the money but because of my love and passion for trek. That's it! Cryptic has absolutely no vision or passion for Star Trek.

Oh and they cause enough bugs buy uploading broken stuff from tribble to holodeck despite what players have said. Just look at the KDF.
now this is funny

would give you about a week before your a jabbering idiot

you cant please all people all the time, and Developers do have things like a Life and Families
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