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# 61
03-26-2013, 05:53 PM
All Bugs will be Vaped!
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# 62
03-27-2013, 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by shimmerless View Post
You're seeing what you want to see.

There are many KDF advantages over the Feds (in fact I remember the tone a few months ago, before all the consoles started becoming cross-faction, being that the KDF was the PvP faction of choice).

Cloak is one, most KDF players may not use it very well or coordinate with their team but it is there. They sacrifice the "escort" archetype for snoozers that can put out a hell of a lot more hurt than their peaceable Fed counterparts. Sure the BoP has been neglected a bit by power creep but then what hasn't on either faction these days. If you want something to do one singular purpose very well then the BoP is still your go-to vessel, +5% shields or +10% aux doesn't cut it against the sheer versatility it offers to a creative mind.

If you want to play the lone wolf and not roll a spike BoP then yeah, I'd say make a Fed character. Otherwise you'll have to deal with the faction's strengths and weaknesses. This obsessiveness over the Bug is also somewhat bizarre considering it's a faction-ambiguous ship and that most KDF players seem very fond of them.
KDF players that have them are fond of them precisely because nothing in the KDF comes close.
"when you're out of Birds of Prey, you're out of ships."

Look into Vanilla PvP if you're tired of the endless pursuit of grind, utterly unbalanced selections of geardo-inspired traits, and generally unbalanced and careless 'development' made mostly to turn this game into a second job.
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# 63
03-27-2013, 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by patrickngo View Post
KDF players that have them are fond of them precisely because nothing in the KDF comes close.
...and thus, perpetuating a vicious cycle that drives demand for the JHAS.

I would feel sorry for the KDF; as a Starfleet Engineer cruiser captain however, I don't have much sympathy to spare. You're not the one who has to fly a line of ships that is in dire need of an upgrade to their statline, to say the least.

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# 64
03-27-2013, 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by eraserfish View Post
...and thus, perpetuating a vicious cycle that drives demand for the JHAS.

I would feel sorry for the KDF; as a Starfleet Engineer cruiser captain however, I don't have much sympathy to spare. You're not the one who has to fly a line of ships that is in dire need of an upgrade to their statline, to say the least.
dude, I fly a Bird of Prey. on all 4 toons (well, 3 1/2 toons, my sci has an alternate ride because in Hive Onslaught (elite) carriers are nice to have as a Sci).

Wanna talk about needing an upgrade to the stat-line? I can seat FOUR bridge officers. That's all I can seat, period, I have the worst hull and shield mods in the game, fewest item locations, and only six weapons total, with only ONE bird of prey version that can carry more than 3 tac consoles-total.

Yes, I have Battlecloak, which is nice, it isn't, however, a cure-all-every mine in the battlespace sees me cloaked and that damage goes straight to hull, which is lower than your LOWEST Escort. in 3 of 4 BoPs, I can't even FIRE while cloaked, and the B'rel's got this tiny crew which means that hull damage gets a LOT harder to repair, real-bloody-fast.

A well-set cruiser can create several situations where I lose cloak, without gaining shields, such as a properly timed EWP, and I don't have nearly the space for buffs/clears/Debuffs even a BAD Fedcruiser carries.

Most cruiser caps who are any good, can survive a decloak-alpha, but that decloaking bird can't survive a well timed Cruiser's alpha, even if he/she is only running beams, cannons and turrets.

SINGLE cannons.

There are whole threads dedicated to making DPS cruisers that can (and do, in a good team) spank the stuffing out of Tac-in-a-BoP.

of course, to DO that, your team has to have a modicum of Teamwork, which, thankfully, most Fed players don't have and most KDF players DO...
"when you're out of Birds of Prey, you're out of ships."

Look into Vanilla PvP if you're tired of the endless pursuit of grind, utterly unbalanced selections of geardo-inspired traits, and generally unbalanced and careless 'development' made mostly to turn this game into a second job.
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# 65
03-27-2013, 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by patrickngo View Post
There are whole threads dedicated to making DPS cruisers that can (and do, in a good team) spank the stuffing out of Tac-in-a-BoP.
That'S somewhat amusing statement. No offense. But it is good to know, there is at least one ship out there, cruisers can spank
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# 66
03-27-2013, 01:52 AM
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That'S somewhat amusing statement. No offense. But it is good to know, there is at least one ship out there, cruisers can spank
lol, I'm rather partial to my BoP's, even with their drawbacks, so some of my perspectives can be a little bit biased.

That said, a good DPS cruiser cap in a good team can also make short work of:

Escorts
Sci ships
Other Cruisers.

and do so without the KDF's dual heavy cannons or turn rates. It's all a matter of HOW you go about it-An engie in a Cruiser has some abilities that seem to get short-shrift that work really, really well...

DEM3-Say the other guy's shields are big, thick pillows of damage absorption? why bother with them, when you can use DEM and hit straight to his hull (well, nearly straight, anyway...)

That escort on your six moving too fast? feed him a nice big juicy ball of Ejected Warp Plasma (EWP) and he's going to need to burn off a lot of his movement buffs and cleanse right there to get untangled. while he's there, you might tell your Sci boff to grab him with that Tractor beam, while your Tac Boff is laying into him with Torp spread, or THY (Transphasics are nice, Mines are better).

They're using Tetryon cannons and drains? you've got RSF and the option to carry RSP at a level that's actually USEFUL, not to mention your shield mod with TT can be real handy and don't forget to spec into Insulators, and you've got EPS to help you out.

He's using subsystem attacks? you've got Miracle Worker (tm), Engineering Fleet to help your mates whom are (if they're any good) coming to your rescue...

E-Team clears Viral, Sci-Team clears Subnukes, Fed cruisers have more Sci consoles and better sci seating than comparable KDF ships, so you can use Bridge-officer-science-dirty-tricks too-and better than the BEST KDF cruisers (forget Raptors).

There are actually a LOT of dirty tricks you can make use of that other Classes in other types of ships can't. Imagine: RSP+FBP triggered when you hear that Klink decloaking. Not only are you NOT taking damage, but his fire is feeding not only your shields, but the pulses coming back to damage HIM.

Add in a DEM3 to your Beams or single Cannons, and lay into the bastard while you dump warp plasma into his face, along with Feedback pulses because he's trying to alpha you, and don't forget to add the TT to that for the shield buff AND buff to your accuracy/crit chance.

and when you've about run out, you can shift into engine/shields power, and make him chase you if he's not already dead from all the dirty things you just did to his carefully planned alpha strike (assuming, that is, he got out of the cloud of warp plasma mostly intact, which is no guarantee, esp. if you also fed him some nice torpedoes to go with the rest...)

Just a few ideas...
"when you're out of Birds of Prey, you're out of ships."

Look into Vanilla PvP if you're tired of the endless pursuit of grind, utterly unbalanced selections of geardo-inspired traits, and generally unbalanced and careless 'development' made mostly to turn this game into a second job.
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# 67
03-27-2013, 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by shimmerless View Post
This obsessiveness over the Bug is also somewhat bizarre considering it's a faction-ambiguous ship and that most KDF players seem very fond of them.
get a jhas holoemitter (there are few on exchange left) and use it on a fleet patrol.You will see people doing their "rage routine" and saying "bug is op".Only 2 reasons people bi**h about it is because either "i dont have it" or "it looks better than X escort because its purple " (purple in mmos is very rare).
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# 68
03-27-2013, 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by tfomega View Post
I also put an RCS on my bug
lol there goes the advantage
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# 69
03-27-2013, 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by shimmerless View Post
You're seeing what you want to see.

There are many KDF advantages over the Feds (in fact I remember the tone a few months ago, before all the consoles started becoming cross-faction, being that the KDF was the PvP faction of choice).

Cloak is one, most KDF players may not use it very well or coordinate with their team but it is there. They sacrifice the "escort" archetype for snoozers that can put out a hell of a lot more hurt than their peaceable Fed counterparts. Sure the BoP has been neglected a bit by power creep but then what hasn't on either faction these days. If you want something to do one singular purpose very well then the BoP is still your go-to vessel, +5% shields or +10% aux doesn't cut it against the sheer versatility it offers to a creative mind.

If you want to play the lone wolf and not roll a spike BoP then yeah, I'd say make a Fed character. Otherwise you'll have to deal with the faction's strengths and weaknesses. This obsessiveness over the Bug is also somewhat bizarre considering it's a faction-ambiguous ship and that most KDF players seem very fond of them.
Personally I play this game because of the movie not because it is another game.In movie a bop was a ship that could fight after decloaking quite a long time and make many kills without using cloak.In game everything is biased toward federation (I don't want to start again ,I am getting tired of how much I did wrote and nothing happens)
I think that kdf playing in bugs is not a very nice scene but all that is caused because as kdf you can't have a good escort that can be comparable to federation escorts.

So again I say keep the bug as it is now because it gives a chance to kdf to field comparable teams in FvK.

PS:I don't have a bug
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# 70
03-27-2013, 09:05 PM
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