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# 1 The Romulan Conundrum
03-22-2013, 04:29 PM
Well, folks, you asked for it and it is definately coming. A Romulan faction. However, I suspect this is going to prove even more difficult for Cryptic than they initially suspected.

The Romulans are no longer just another group or coalition of races with green and purple hues and ships that cloak. Based on the story arc, we can say with reasonable certainly that there are now two (yes TWO) distinct sub-groups of "Romulans" and I'm hoping Cryptic will reflect this in their implimentation of missions and reputations to come for our new pointy-eared players.

Faction 1 - The Empire

This is the Romulan Star Empire of old: The Empire we grew up watching and loving, the group which spawned the Tal Shair, the group that gave Klingons the ability to cloak their ships, while they embraced warp drive and used it as the launching platform to build an Empire. You didn't seriously suspect that the loss of Romulus would cripple the enitre empire did you? Last we heard, the government was re-established on Rator III. Empress Sela (a classic villian) lives on and is confirmed for the upcoming faction. Hopefully, we see this dark side of the faction realised in the upcoming installment. And don't forget about other classic Romulan heroes such as Tomalak, I doubt he knuckled under and joined Detan's band of refugees who ran to the Empire's enemies for protection. These are the die-hard, fantatical, loyal Romulans who will strive to keep the Empire alive and give it new life from within, not from outside assistance.

Faction 2 - The Republic

These are the refugees, led by Detan, who are breaking free of the tyranny of a crushing Empire. (Now, I haven't played through the whole story arc involving New Romulus so I may be a little off in my analysis.) But these are the folks who seized the opportunity the destruction of Romulus provided to get out from under the eye of the Tal Shair and live free. (Ironic that they solicited the Klingons seeking aid, when you think about it.) But regardless, these people are trying to build a new regime based on peace and cooperation as opposed to war and conquest. Openly accepting aid from former enemies, this fledgling power is gradually gaining strength and will no doubt become a major power in the quadrant in decades to come.

I'm hoping Cryptic realises there are two distinct roads a Romulan player could decide to traverse and if the Devs are really on their game; you'll get the option to choose which flag you'll fly: Detan's or Sela's.

... Long live the Empire!
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# 2
03-22-2013, 05:01 PM
I can live with a strong Republic, if the alternative is a weak Empire. Endless compromise and admittance of weakness, following by sucking it up to everyone else is however not an alternative. That's just like dropping the Romulan spirit like a shield in surrender.

Dynamic [Universal Translator alternative suggestion: False] promises to some extent, is an honorable alternative to extinction though. But only up to a point. You cannot live on borrowed time forever.

If you must become the very essence of that which you despise, even in order to survive, you will only end up hating your own existence. Unholy alliances and alien influences must be kept to a minimum!

The cultural essence of the Romulan people, has easily been confused with the presence of certain minorities of late. And as the actions of few has been taken as the will of the many, the larger picture has been forgotten, or obscured by a collection of smaller groups altogether!

The real goal here is to find that collective essence, that genuine common culture, not use endless excuses to bypass the values that defines a Romulan. When he is no longer a Romulan, the fight is over, in life or in death. This is a fight for the Romulan culture, as well as for basic survival. Never forget that, and you will do much better!

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# 3
03-22-2013, 05:02 PM
Where does it say D'tan is leading the 'republic'?

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# 4
03-22-2013, 11:31 PM
I would love it if we at least had an option, but from the information we have so far it looks like the Romulan Faction experience will be "...exclusively from the Romulan Republic's point of view." (from the teaser page) In fact, Cryptic seem to have made a conscious decision to distance the Romulan faction from the Romulan Star Empire of old that so many of us have grown accustomed and fond of not only by removing not only the cultural and political elements of the RSE, but even going so far as to remove all traces of their classic TNG-era attire, and even small things such as the ability to give our ships the prefix IRW (Imperial Romulan Warbird), instead replacing it with RRW (Romulan Republic Warbird, I assume). Cryptic is actively rewriting Romulans as a concept. I wonder, is it still a 'Roomulan' Faction if there is nothing in common between the Romulan Republic and the Romulan Star Empire except Pointy ears, a ridged forehead, and a few romulan ships?
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# 5
03-23-2013, 12:06 AM
I think you'll level up as one of Sela's minions, then, at level 50, have the option of defecting to D'tan's new Romulan Republic. At least, that's the way I would set it up.

That would allow for inter-faction and cross-faction pvp without any convoluted justifications, and allow them to get plenty of mileage from Denise Crosby in the interim.
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# 6
03-23-2013, 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by futurepastnow View Post
I think you'll level up as one of Sela's minions, then, at level 50, have the option of defecting to D'tan's new Romulan Republic. At least, that's the way I would set it up.
Well I agree but not exactly.

Its likely we level as part of the RSE until Sela disappearance that is before the Cardassian Front, after that we either join in the Cardassian front or have a specific Romulan Republic front that deals with establish New Romulus and then we have the Cardassian front.

Either way I dont think they are going to separate the factions on terms timeline events were Romulans will start AFTER Federation and KDF had reached the end of their fronts, or at least starting after the Romulan Front taken place.

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That would allow for inter-faction and cross-faction pvp without any convoluted justifications, and allow them to get plenty of mileage from Denise Crosby in the interim.
True, it became hard to justify, for example, being in Omega Force since storywise this is something a Federation Captain (now Admiral) started with the support of the current Klingon Chancellor.

Being cut off STFs? The end game?

Also how about featured episodes ... oh the Devidian kinda works but its also very hard to justify what a Romulan ship would be doing so far within Federation and Klingon space or bother with dealing with it.

But thats about it as far FE goes, the Romulan FE would be anachronistic but can work if we are in the RSE at that point (even it does need a lot of adjusting) and the Dominion Return is also not easy to shallow because technically it happened after Sela disappearance (it certainly happened after Taris mission as she is on Facility 4028 meaning it taken place after).
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# 7
03-23-2013, 12:58 AM
i don't like D'Tan.. he seems kinda "gay" to me
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# 8
03-23-2013, 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by f2pdrakron View Post
*snip*
Keep in mind that we have a screenshot showing a Romulan Players ship labeled as 'RRW' instead of 'IRW'-the designation of the Romulan Star Empire, unless our ship designation changes as the result of an episode, it seems likely that we won't be members of the RSE for long, if at all. perhaps the player rebels as part of the tutorial mission?

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i don't like D'Tan.. he seems kinda "gay" to me

While I can sympathize with D'tan and the reunificationists, a big part of the 'reunification' 2-parter for TNG (in which D'tan appeared as a the child of soem reunificationists) was that they were an underground movement of Romulans who idolized the Vulcan teachings and culture, as opposed to Romulan culture. They really did not 'fit in' with the Romulan Star Empire, which being a xenophobic totalitarian government, cracked down on them. Aligning the Romulan players with a similar faction to D'Tans(it needs to be noted that there isn't any evidence yet that D'Tan's faction is the Romulan Republic) by *default*, a group that were outsiders within their own culture seems like the devs are missing what makes Romulans 'Romulan'. D'Tan was a member of the Romulan species but he by no means was a member of the romulan culture. He was a vulcan at heart, and the devs seem to be making all romulan players into romulans-in-species-only without any say in the matter.

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Join Date: Oct 2012
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# 9
03-23-2013, 01:33 AM
Well op your wrong about one thing. There are in fact three factions within the Romulan people. The first is the Tal shair thats allied with the Iconanis, which is still bent on destroying half the galaxy, and conquering the rest. The other two you pointed out correctly, the star Empire portion who faces the rebels, aka republic.

Ive been here and gone in sto for years, but this is something worth playing. To me its a dream come true. Many of us at launch had planned our first characters to be Romulan. Now we will get that chance. I do hope they let us fight for the Star Empire faction, I have no interest in this republic. Oh and a genocidal attack or two on the Iconians would be fine with me.

Aside from being able to choose to fight for the Star Empire, my other concern is the cost. The zen is overpriced. If they give us a straight up cost of 10 to 15 dollors for the expansion, and we get everything including a D'deridex class warbird. I got no issues with that. This being said what I dont want to happen, is I get the expansion, and then have to pay 20 dollors or more for that class of warbird.
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# 10
03-23-2013, 01:34 AM
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Where does it say D'tan is leading the 'republic'?
He might not be the leader, but he's more like the "figurehead" of the group, the most prominent person behind it but not the one who's in charge ultimately. So while he might not be leader, he's most likely the "admiral quinn" of the faction in that you talk to him a lot for your missions.
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