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# 51
03-23-2013, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by nikephorus View Post
KASE pug run with Fleet Heavy Cruiser Retrofit. My build was slightly modified. I had the borg kinetic beam and I was using Torpedo: High Yield 1, and Attack Pattern: Beta..no fire at will, which in KAS doesn't really matter since there isn't much spam in there.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y14...ps1e951e55.jpg
There is a huge misconception about fire at will. Yes it works great against multiple targets to pepper them all with beam fire.

I use it 100% of the time that I can. I have it on a macro tied to my space bar so its up as much as possible.

The power works on top of your normal beam attacks. So if you target the cube in infected you will continue to fire at the cube as normal. however you will also gain many more beam attacks against your primary target and anything else in range of your beams.

Against a single target you still gain attacks on top of your auto fire. Against the tac cube in kase at the beginning I regularly can hit for 15-20k with a full alpha strike because of how many times my beams hammer it with FAW.

Also to compare your damage to mine with torp high yield and beta is a moot point. Also you were in a different instance with a skill and boff layout undisclosed. I dont have a single point spent in torps since 90% of the time im broadsiding and my torps wont fire anyhow. I use a single torp for the set bonus and to keep my power levels from dropping too low from using another beam.
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Last edited by vexashen; 03-23-2013 at 07:44 PM.
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# 52
03-23-2013, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by vexashen View Post
There is a huge misconception about fire at will. Yes it works great against multiple targets to pepper them all with beam fire.

I use it 100% of the time that I can. I have it on a macro tied to my space bar so its up as much as possible.

The power works on top of your normal beam attacks. So if you target the cube in infected you will continue to fire at the cube as normal. however you will also gain many more beam attacks against your primary target and anything else in range of your beams.

Against a single target you still gain attacks on top of your auto fire. Against the tac cube in kase at the beginning I regularly can hit for 15-20k with a full alpha strike because of how many times my beams hammer it with FAW.

Also to compare your damage to mine with torp high yield and beta is a moot point. Also you were in a different instance with a skill and boff layout undisclosed. I dont have a single point spent in torps since 90% of the time im broadsiding and my torps wont fire anyhow. I use a single torp for the set bonus and to keep my power levels from dropping too low from using another beam.
I'm specked into both energy and torpedoes. I don't try and move around to fire my torpdoes, but when the ship is in the middle of getting into position for a broadside I have it on autofire so they just launch automatically. I will run a test using Beam: Fire at Will 1, instead of Torpedo: High Yield 1. I don't know if that will account for a 2k dps difference. If this is the best damage I can expect it's pretty comparable to the damage I get on my Excelsior using Fleet Phasers. I also hit around 8k dps with that, but I also have 4 tac consoles so I imagine this plasma set up on the Excelsior would bump my damage up a little bit, but I dunno about 10k. Of course player skill comes into play and I may just not be as good as you lol.


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# 53
03-23-2013, 08:48 PM
Alright another KASE pug run. I replaced Torpedo: High Yield 1 with Beam: Fire at Will 1 and I also replaced the Borg Kinetic Cutting Beam with another Plasma Beam Array.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y14...ps0e1192f2.jpg

Still not 10k, but this is the highest damage I've ever gotten on any of my cruisers.


U.S.S. Mary Celeste
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# 54
03-23-2013, 08:58 PM
Impressive numbers my friend, the sort I can only dream of.....
You and a couple of others on this thread really seem to know what your on about, so maybe you can help me out.
I dont have access to fleet gear, and don't play the boxes, so top end gear is not an option for me( esp as I am now pretty much soloing our Star Base). So what I am after are builds using 'regular' gear avaliable on the exchange, or via missions.
My chars are as follows:

Eng in a Vesta, running AP beams.
Sci in an Excel,(probably a very bad idea?), running polarized diruptor beams and Quantums.
Eng in an Ambassador, running Phaser beams and Quantums.

The best I have been able to manage is 2750dps according to ACT, and that was with the Vesta in Infected.
I am not after the huge numbers being disscussed here, but surely I can do better than this, even with 'inferior' gear.
Won't bother putting my boffs, skills etc down as am willing to change it all if required.
Feel free to PM me, with any ideas, as I don't want to fill your thread with further, 'not really relavent' posts.
Thanks in advance for any forthcoming advice.

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# 55
03-23-2013, 09:27 PM
message me in game and ill fix you up. any of those ships can pull 5k easily with the right builds edward teach@vexashen or k'urg@vexashen
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# 56
03-23-2013, 10:59 PM
Cube: 343,800 x3 = 1,031,400
Sphere: 194,405 x16 = 3,110,480
Generator: 198,824 x8 = 1,590,592
Transformer: 646,180 x2 = 1,292,360
Gate: 1,554,908
Tac Cube: 1,942,400

Total ISE Hull = 10,522,140

Posted Parse Log = 15,687,448

Difference = 5,165,308

Something doesn't add up here. Their are some things that could be responsible for this difference such as damage that is instantly healed, shield damage being considered damage, or there is the most likely possibility that FaW is not being parsed properly.

Not saying the build is bad. Saying the numbers don't add up.
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# 57
03-23-2013, 11:30 PM
I'm in Vex's fleet and run with him all the time, so I'll offer my anecdotal support to his numbers/claims/ builds... He is pulling those numbers. We have multiple Engineers (myself included) running similar build concepts averaging 6-8kdps... and tacs higher up.

The keys to beams are power and accuracy. There is a weapon's soft cap of of about 160.. the more power you pump into the beams the more damage you do. Accuracy in beams is important because of the game mechanics a miss on a beam is exponentially more a drop in dps than cannons.

And to the comment up above. TSS2 HE1 Auxtsif3, Et1 is plenty good enough for survivability.
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# 58
03-23-2013, 11:32 PM
well for one thing the parser logs all damage. not just hull damage. so sure the transformers for short periods soak up 20% of my fire at will. but on top of that theres shields to deal with. shields dont just shut off cause you show up. mobs now rebalance their shields so you cant just hammer one facing down anymore.
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Cruisers with mk x common in infected elite http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q82PqoFFxjc
Cruisers with good gear in infected elite http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMnFljZD9m8
Soloing Infected Elite http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaEFI...ature=youtu.be
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# 59
03-23-2013, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by vexashen View Post
well for one thing the parser logs all damage. not just hull damage. so sure the transformers for short periods soak up 20% of my fire at will. but on top of that theres shields to deal with. shields dont just shut off cause you show up. mobs now rebalance their shields so you cant just hammer one facing down anymore.
Considering nearly half of the targets in ISE have no shields and that shield values are much lower than hull values I find it difficult to believe 5 mil damage was shield.

You seriously have that much faith in the parser that you don't think there is even a possibility that it is not working correctly?
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# 60
03-24-2013, 12:11 AM
ok put it this way... am I throwing some damage away with faw? sure a little. But the damage Im putting on my targets more than makes up for it. Is the parser maybe not recording things 100% correctly... sure.

Am I getting through stfs with pugs in record time.. YES. Do I think this is a solid build that rips anything pve can throw at me apart. YES.

Have you personally run with me to see that im full of it. NO. Have I made the offer in this thread 3 times now to run with anyone that doubts this ship. YES
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