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# 111
03-25-2013, 10:32 AM
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Then PWE took over and we fell deep into pay 2 win territory.
You can buy anything from the C-Store by converting dilithium to Zen without ever spending a cent. That's not pay to win.
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Anyone calling Valoreah a "Cryptic fanboy" must be new to the forum.
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The cost of actually commissioning an artisan to make a real physical model of my starship using 1 pound of 14k gold will probably cost less than creating a "gold ship" in STO.
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# 112
03-25-2013, 10:32 AM
yet another bash cryptic forum.... NEXT!!
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# 113
03-25-2013, 10:34 AM
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You can buy anything from the C-Store by converting dilithium to Zen without ever spending a cent. That's not pay to win.~By grinding your life away~added by mewi
Fixed ;o! Sorry but you have to be more reasonable about it.

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# 114
03-25-2013, 10:38 AM
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You can buy anything from the C-Store by converting dilithium to Zen without ever spending a cent. That's not pay to win.
In a sense, it is "pay to win" because it can net you a notable advantage over the competition.
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# 115
03-25-2013, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by janewaywarrior View Post
These topics about changing skills etc are really not needed because it just brings us away from the main issues. Tactical has been too powerful for too long and are Cryptic's favorites because they do not know how to do other abilities without making damage ridiculous.
Why is it so difficult to understand that Tactical captains are meant to do damage? That's their role. Read the text when rolling a new character - Tacticals do damage. Period.

How do you define "too powerful"? What evidence do you have to show them as broken and in need of fixing? The notion that Science or Engineering captains need buffs is a false one too.
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Anyone calling Valoreah a "Cryptic fanboy" must be new to the forum.
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The cost of actually commissioning an artisan to make a real physical model of my starship using 1 pound of 14k gold will probably cost less than creating a "gold ship" in STO.
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# 116
03-25-2013, 10:40 AM
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In a sense, it is "pay to win" because it can net you a notable advantage over the competition.
But that competition has access to the same items without ever paying a cent. People who spend real money are just getting an item faster versus spending a month grinding for it. It's still the same gear/ship no matter how you go about buying it. That is not what pay to win is.
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Anyone calling Valoreah a "Cryptic fanboy" must be new to the forum.
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Originally Posted by jaguarskx View Post
The cost of actually commissioning an artisan to make a real physical model of my starship using 1 pound of 14k gold will probably cost less than creating a "gold ship" in STO.
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# 117
03-25-2013, 10:42 AM
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Five cruisers (cross healing all the while) chain tractor beam, EWP and target engines targetting one escort at at a time. Cruisers - 15, Escorts - 0 ... just sayin.

There is only ONE thing is STO that is truly OP .... TEAMWORK!
So uh...the Escorts won't be crosshealing?

The reason nobody would die and it would be a stalemate is because there's nobody there to drop the SNB.


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# 118
03-25-2013, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by valoreah View Post
You can buy anything from the C-Store by converting dilithium to Zen without ever spending a cent. That's not pay to win.
If somewhere in the direct transaction chain (IE: a subscription doesn't count) real money must be spent to attain a statistical, ability-based or other advantage, it's pay to win.
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# 119
03-25-2013, 10:51 AM
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It would not surprise me if his definition of learning to play is to pop APA and then sit on the spacebar. If people who have spent months attempting to get viable builds have found that these ships are just too uncompetitive, I would believe them over some one-liner wally.
I've played tac and eng and getting into science. You have to understand the play style. For cruisers. since their turn rate isn't the best I use a combo beam array and turrets. you just need 2 turrets but only if you have room. my average build for the high level cruisers is 2 turrets, beam arrays, and dual beams. depending on cruiser I could do RCS then I focus on a balance to defends against all types of weapons types and shield enhancers. weapons of choice are either tets or antiproton. and officers are geared for healing and attack. and I barely touch TT.
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# 120
03-25-2013, 10:53 AM
Only if said person wins because of the item too.

You also have to remember that a Zen ship or even a fleet ship doesn't have to cost anyone any real world cash. Lockbox ships don't either but you have to either be extremely lucky or buy from the exchange where someone most likely paid real cash for it.

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