Captain
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# 121
03-24-2013, 09:56 AM
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Except that since Spock passed is exams or whatever he needed to get into the science academy with flying colours, the guy has no reason to point out these shortcomings and certainly no reason to taunt him over it. Especially since his father, a respected member of Vulcan society is RIGHT THERE.

So this guy is insulting the mother of an applicant, and insulting the wife of a colleague. There is no way that this is remotely logical.
Err, Vulcans being "open" about their thoughts in what is perceived in a rude way, or even being complete jerks is not something that is unheard of.

T'Pring and Captain Solok come to mind...


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Lieutenant
Join Date: Aug 2012
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# 122
03-24-2013, 12:08 PM
So is the major point of contention here that the Romulan system of governance is referred to as a "republic" rather than an "empire"?

Because Romulus was already ruled by a democratically elected representative government even when it called itself an empire. There was never mention of a Romulan Emperor in on-screen canon, and it was only ever a ceremonial position in expanded materials until Sela gave herself the job.

Just because the do-gooders among the Romulan people have more leverage in the role of government doesn't mean that society itself has changed all that dramatically.
Survivor of Romulus
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# 123
03-24-2013, 12:12 PM
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and as the final episode revealed it was a reg barclay holonovel
none of its actually very solid is it

it was a recreation of a real, historical event, much like all the different recreations of famous earth battles o'brien and bashir often participated in throughout DS9
an incorrect one in many respects (it had Borg in it and they of course were not possible)
clearly the result of bad research
which is why it had so much nudity

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Shatners kirk was an ENSIGN when he had spots

Are you honestly saying that because someone has acne or a skin condition that they are somehow incompetent in life?
im saying that an officer in command of a ship needs YEARS of experience not 15 minutes in a lift with a manual

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he did not command anything

As an Ensign he was an officer and certainly did command crewmen under his rank.
Erm no
he was technically a midshipman AFTER graduation, before he was a cadet (means he commanded himself on his own time and no one else) and the enterprise Had "400 officer grade personel" there was no one aboard lower ranking than Kirk

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and interestingly did not cheat the same way (seduction and corruption of impressionable women)

We have absolutely no idea how Shatner's Kirk got access to the computers to reprogram the test. Knowing Kirk seduction probably had something to do with it, though.
He snuck in after dark and changed the program
No pandering involved

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holodeck programs are NOT hard canon (otherwise captain proton is canon)
and as the final episode revealed it was a reg barclay holonovel
none of its actually very solid is it

The holodeck makes assumptions based on actual events.
does it now
clearly you have missed a LOT of Holodeck episodes

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Every moment of the crew's life is not recorded. The Starfleet records tell people that Archer and his crew did X on Stardate Y. It does not tell us what each crew member was talking about, who they were dating, or what they were eating during those events. The holodeck makes up all the details which have nothing to do with the actual records. This is why Leah Brahms was so different in the holodeck simulation Geordi ran than in real life.
Reg Barclay
lets have "Everyone lusts after reg world"

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What the crew were saying to Chef is largely fabricated - unless someone put said conversation in an official record. The fact that the NX existed or that Tripp died during a specific mission is fact.
possibly
However there is no evidence of any of the sillier adventures being real history (thus no Borg )


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lolololol Are you serious?
only as serious as people who believe jj trek is canon



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Enterprise is as canon as it gets. You may not like it, but that doesn't make it any less canon.
Nope
Nothing that contradicts the great birds own work is considered canon
Thus Borged up Orions , Vulcans who can take you to white world , Borg on earth
All Very soft canon

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FYI, only the final episode of ENT is portrayed as a holodeck program and I'm sure that anyone who paid attention while watching the show can remember that in that final episode Riker played some of the characters on board the Enterprise, like the chef for example
yep a holodeck program recomended to him by the counsellor
and which was clearly played by other crew members "observer mode"

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If it was a holodeck program, we'd see Riker, Troy, Barclay, Picard or anyone else from the TNG cast for that matter in every episode of ENT.
Check the quest cast list
Data played several holonovel episodes for example

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Therefore, your logic is faulty.
by defination ALL logic is faulty
Captain
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# 124
03-24-2013, 12:17 PM
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he was technically a midshipman AFTER graduation, before he was a cadet (means he commanded himself on his own time and no one else) and the enterprise Had "400 officer grade personel" there was no one aboard lower ranking than Kirk
It's becoming increasing clear that you have a very odd concept of Star Trek. Are you actually saying everyone on a starship is an officer? All those redshirts were officers? You do know that O'Brien wasn't an officer on the Ent D, right? He was a non-com. You think he was the only non-com on the ship? It was the same in Kirk's era.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Rihannsu
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# 125
03-24-2013, 12:19 PM
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an incorrect one in many respects (it had Borg in it and they of course were not possible)
clearly the result of bad research
which is why it had so much nudity
let's see...borg go back in time to stop first contact, enterprise e follows and stops them, while blowing up sphere and sending the debris careening down to earth to crash in the arctic, fast forward about 90 years and starfleet research team finds remains of borg sphere, setting off the events of regeneration...what were you saying about it not being possible?
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Klingons use bathtubs as a severe form punishment.
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"You sniveling petaQ!!! If you are late for your shift one more time, you will spend two hours in the bathtub!!."

"WITH SOAP!!"
Captain
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# 126
03-24-2013, 12:21 PM
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im saying that an officer in command of a ship needs YEARS of experience not 15 minutes in a lift with a manual
But that's exactly what happens in THIS game when you start out as a federation officer. Right down to taking a turbolift to get to your ship and picking up a first officer before beaming over to your brand spanking new Miranda, Ensign! Zach Quinto talks through it each step of the way.
Career Officer
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# 127
03-24-2013, 12:23 PM
STO is all about roll playing. Eventually, you do everything you can do with the federation faction. Then, it becomes interesting to experience a new form of gameplay. The Klingons are a very interesting diversion, but those of us who have been around for more than a couple of years have run them dry. Being able to role play more factions basically allows you to experience the entire game over again, with new ships, new tactics, new races, new classes.

I really enjoyed playing Armada and though it is very ambitious, I hope they will add a new faction to the game every year in the order: Cardassian, Ferengi/unaligned, Dominion, and then maybe some "monster play" options like Borg.
Captain
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# 128
03-24-2013, 12:27 PM
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It's becoming increasing clear that you have a very odd concept of Star Trek. Are you actually saying everyone on a starship is an officer? All those redshirts were officers? You do know that O'Brien wasn't an officer on the Ent D, right? He was a non-com. You think he was the only non-com on the ship? It was the same in Kirk's era.

I don't think you can persuade him.
Save yourself the effort and just pay little attention to what he considers canon.
Career Officer
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# 129
03-24-2013, 12:27 PM
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It's becoming increasing clear that you have a very odd concept of Star Trek. Are you actually saying everyone on a starship is an officer? All those redshirts were officers? You do know that O'Brien wasn't an officer on the Ent D, right? He was a non-com. You think he was the only non-com on the ship? It was the same in Kirk's era.
That is debatable. In TOS, Roddenbury made it clear that EVERYONE was an officer because in the future, EVERYONE graduates from university, or at least everyone capable of being the future equivalent of an Astronaut. This makes sense given that in his day, astronauts all held university degrees, almost ubiquitously advanced degrees of some sort.

However, the later series seemed to contradict that rule. O'brien himself seemed to be a Lieutenant before he got demoted to either a warrant officer or a petty officer, and then later was called a non commissioned officer.

Then later in TNG, we saw the first instances of what seemed to be lower enlisted officers, plus Worf's father claiming that he was never a commissioned officer. In DS9, we saw that Starfleet also seemed to have soldiers, so the whole issue has evolved somewhat.
Survivor of Romulus
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# 130
03-24-2013, 12:27 PM
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It's becoming increasing clear that you have a very odd concept of Star Trek.
or that you are not reading very accurately

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Are you actually saying everyone on a starship is an officer?
Every crew member of the TOS Enterprise at the start of the 5 year mission was An officer (some were midshipmen which are baby officers)

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All those redshirts were officers?
yes every red shirt on the enterprise was an officer
thats what "400 officer grade personel" means

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You do know that O'Brien wasn't an officer on the Ent D, right?
Yes because that was a LONG time after Kirk died

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He was a non-com. You think he was the only non-com on the ship? It was the same in Kirk's era.
Erm no it wasn't
Enterprise had as was often made clear a picked elite crew

Even the sad sack in the bad pjs was an Ensign
Ever noticed that EVERYONE is an ensign or above in landing parties??


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an incorrect one in many respects (it had Borg in it and they of course were not possible)
clearly the result of bad research
which is why it had so much nudity

let's see...borg go back in time to stop first contact, enterprise e follows and stops them, while blowing up sphere and sending the debris careening down to earth to crash in the arctic, fast forward about 90 years and starfleet research team finds remains of borg sphere, setting off the events of regeneration...what were you saying about it not being possible?
Borg can not survive re-entry
And a borg not linked to the collective can't survive at all
it was a cop out to have borg in enterprise and i hope someone got sacked over it
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