Hmm to fight "feds" ? RP reason ? but queues are full of bugs,galors,ferengi ships,breen ships and yes couple of fed ships.
So you are telling me, the dedicated klingon fans, that roll an ugly looking alien flying one of the lockbox alien ships like bug like to queue in FvK to fight against Feds ? For the classic FvK experience ? Oh Roach, you can do better than that.
If klingons can field 16 people for FvK CaH, they surely can field KvK arena on regular basis....
Beside, Klingon culture is feudal, full of house vs house battles for power. It's not Game of Thrones with all that backstabbing and ass kissing, but the Game of Battle. SO really, KvK does make sense...RP wise.
Im saying that you and others are looking for a sinister reason that doesnt exist on why KvK does not pop as much as the rest.
Its a witch hunt to prove a reason that you and others feels is the proof when its not.
The player does as the player does.
Some may not like fighting other klinks, some may be like the feds and be scared of fighting klinks or some just dont care at all.
Looking for hidden or sinister reasons to prove your and others beliefs is real while forcing it on others does not validate the witch hunt.
KDF plays as they chose to for the reasons that they chose. No hidden meanings no sinister fears. Just personal choices and the continuing fed belief we are scared to fight our own.
Very silly, biased and untrue.
Back when I only played Klingon side I sometimes saw 20 to 30 Klingons queuing for FvK, long after the last fed left the queue, waiting hours to get a match. I myself always queued KvK, but even in these situations Klingons were afraid of playing against themselves. Other Klingon players in this thread who are excusing the issue are deluding themselves.
Originally Posted by antoniosalieri
so those goofs can all go back to there time stepping aoe slowing bug running cheese ball fed teams) lol
You can do the same thing on either faction.
The federation has better ships (outside of a few nice BoP builds), but all of the best ships are in cross faction lock-boxes and the Klingons have better toys. Most PvP fleets still choose to play federation in spite of the fact that they could make a more powerful Klingon team because it's far easier to get matches fed side.
Log on, how many of your Klingon fleeties are on-line, and how many of them are on-feds?
SImply put, outside of weekend play or special events, there are....me...on the roster on-line when I'm on, and 3 or so of my fleeties who're having trouble sleeping-but they're grinding their Feds.
It's a fairly rare thing to roll in to Ker'rat and see more than two or three Klingons at a time-minus those Feds who've 'switched sides' using that 'feature' for the evening to fill some quota.
On weekends, in FvK, it's usually the same ten Feds on the other side, depending on whether I re-que'd fast enough, and assuming there are enough KDF TO POP THE QUE AT ALL.
and yes, I've seen the sixteen KDF waiting in the ques before after the last Fed ran back to FvF.
Hate to admit this, but it IS a population issue, more than anything else-on my Feds (the rare times I play 'em) finding a match doesn't take more than a couple minutes, there are ALWAYS feds and Fed Teams que'd up.
Even at 3AM PST there are fed teams que'd up, even right up to the point where cryptic shuts down for maintenance.
Unfortunately, unless I hit a VERY fortunate draw, I end up (when I do this) in a group of individuals, sometimes rainboats, who'd get laughed out of an STF and will NOT work together-which is why I prefer playing red-team to blue-team, I don't like sticking my neck out for someone who'll wander right into the blender and leave me to hang.
"when you're out of Birds of Prey, you're out of ships."
FvK was ruined the moment when spam hit the matches. WH4000 ship or that Orion (think it was Orion?) carrier launching support fighters and some occasional BoP was one thing. Turning the match into Player vs PvE was another. And as Klinks got more and more such spam, available on more and more ships queues got emptier and emptier.
FvK queues are empty because of cheese, wine and spam. Not only Klink-side, but general reputation and Fleet and whatever else too.
And not because Feds are afraid or because Klink players are better (they usually are, at least "old" Klinks). Before F2P Klinks were just as good, even better cause there were more "oldies" and less new ones from F2P (those mostly sucks). Yet FvK was still pretty alive, almost as much as FvF. Even with most Fed PUGs getting their asses handed to them. Heck, even pre-dilithium FvK queues were pretty full.
Cryptic and it's greed killed FvK (and generaly PvP) and players happily helped. So - do not complain, do not try to tell that Feds are afraid. Some perhaps are. But most simply don't like to fight all this spam Klinks are throwing around. Feds are no better, but there is still less valuable Fed spam then there is Klink spam.
Wanna know the real truth? The truth is...
All the evul Klinguns are noobs piloting OP ships with toy consoles and broken abilities...
The KvK queues never pop because the evul Klinguns don't want being ganked by themselves...
The real truth is all of the good Klingons retired or went Fed side exclusively.
Poor Klingons are going to get played even less once the Romulans hit.
Now I'm serious...
The real problem is the type of ships available to the two fleets.
UFP has only three different class of ships, Escorts, Cruisers, Science vessels and only a Carrier, while the KDF has Raiders, Raptors, Battle Cruisers, Destroyers, Support vessels and Carriers.
And not only this, because the evul Klinguns have more versatility with the Universal Boffs, more power with a larger DHC use, more surprise with the battle and enhanced cloaks.
What does this mean? It's very simple...we Feds are forced to use our specialized ships according to our toons to be truly effective in combat.
A Tac Captain must fight in an Escort to vaporize the enemy with a spike dps attack, an Eng must pilot a Cruiser to heal the comrades and A Sci needs a Science vessel for crowd control and debuffing to the best.
When pugging with the best Sci player I know, Hulkhogan, and at least one pair of skilled Engs in a Cruiser, we rock in PVP against the evuls! But when I see a Tac Fed in a Cruiser, and unfortunately there are plenty of them, firing all the time his silly single cannons or beams instead of healing...I know I'll lose the fight.
The KDF player has very SPECIAL ships to choose capable of terrific attacks...the from nowhere Bop alpha strike, the draining build of a Kar'Fi, the overwhelming DHC dps of the Battle Cruiser.
Anyway a very skilled and specialized Fed team can win, but the average and not specialized Fed Captains are doomed.
I know the cross-faction ships are changing this situation, but they are very expensive to buy and it takes a lot of luck opening a lock box...
This is a real Starfleet Cruiser, the awesome Adm. Marcus Vengeance! Stol Fed Cruisers suck!
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Poor Klingons are going to get played even less once the Romulans hit.
This is definitely where it's going to be interesting to see how they handle the queues and what they do with PvP in general. Suppose we'll find out some starting tomorrow (maybe) with the Ask Cryptic and then next week as the Dev Blogs start up...