Captain
Join Date: Aug 2012
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# 11
03-29-2013, 09:14 AM
Oh my goooood you can't have an escort and not use dhc nooo way no it's not aloud no way what are you doing stop you can't

1 - your gimping the team - the teams already gimped if he's pugging most people in this game can't even shoot at scripted ai properly don't know why most people run into elites without doing normal first strange old community at times

2 - dps - does it matter there scripted Borg they move the exact same route every game of every day they have no brain and limited capacity to defend themselves or hurt you One of my builds is a mirror Mvae just cos I love the way it looks and it was 60k ec it has all beams and can blow **** up without fail

Op you put what you want to put on it don't listen to single minded escort pilots that see a box an think there isn't a world outside of that box

I play all day long with odd builds and get the job done twice as fast as most other puggers because I had the sense to practice ask in the forums and learnt the game 80% skill and 20% gear and my bumper sticker reads - practice practice practice -

However PVP - if you go into PVP doing this you will get killed alot and laughed at a lot and targeted a lot so it's not recommended sorry
----=====This is my opinion you don't have to listen and no one else has to read them these "OPINIONS" are based on my exploits and my learning other people will have their opinions and that's fine just don't knock my way of doing things thanks=====----
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 12
03-29-2013, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by stirling191 View Post
Taking face value DPS numbers when using beams (even DBBs) is overestimating their output. Compared to DHCs they're incredibly energy inefficient in the current power drain setup, and overlapping beam firing will drag your output down by a not insignificant number unless appropriate steps are taken.
DHCs also use cannon powers, which are in general better than Beam ones...
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# 13
03-29-2013, 09:48 AM
mustafatennick

You tell him to use what ever he wants, then say don't use what ever he wants in pvp.

Scripted events still req the dps to get the job done. You are not going to get optionals completed by gimping your dps. Its that simple so when we say you are hurting your dps its true period.

If you are running crap builds as well... well i guess we know who we keep having to carry in estfs...i bet you afk as well.

Its funny how you try to keep him out of PvP and say people will laugh at him... the same argument also applies to pve.
Ensign
Join Date: Mar 2013
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# 14
03-29-2013, 09:53 AM
I understand that DHC and Cannons in general are better, or/and simpler to build around it. But i don't like it. I want my dps oriented ship to use beams. So I'm looking for advice, that let me create build efficient enough with beams. Or if someone already get there, to share hes wisdom with me (us-community).

I understand, that it can be 10 or 20% less dps than other "classic" escorts, but its still better than escort with pilots that cant play right (sometimes I'm doing more dmg tanking as Eng in ACR NOT in A2B build, than some escorts in ESTFs).

This build is purelly for PvE content: Elite STFs. Elite Episodes/foundry/Tau Deva, Fleet Operations.

Thx for explaining about weapon power drains, and engi slots.

Any more input on the topic will be appreciated :-)
Rihannsu
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 15
03-29-2013, 09:59 AM
Not quite what the OP is asking for, but I made a servicable torp boat out of an HEC, by throwing on both Romulan and Borg weapon sets, the Adapted MACO (aka KDF STF) set, a lot of torp high yeild and beam overload, and some esect warp plasma, in addition to the standard escort loadout of two tac teams, transfer shield strength, hazard emitters, emergency power to shields and reverse shield polarity. I'm not saying it did massive DPS, but it managed to hold its own in PvE. When I got those super elite scorpian fighters, it just got better. Nowdays, I just use it for fun though, put boarding party and all plasma torps on it, along with those DOFFs that grant point defence to boarding shuttles, which gets really funny if you kill the ship the shuttles are going to before they get there, and they become turrets.

But learn the game, test out the powers, and build your own. I know a guy who runs a torp boat defiant, and he kills with it in PvP. The options are out there.
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Commander
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# 16
03-29-2013, 10:02 AM
Run a crusier or full carrier like the dread if you are useing beams. Its just more effective there slower turn rate, higher hual and better boff layout for epw etc would be better to be honest.

The lack of extra eng slots on the HEC is really going to make it less effective. It just has to many tac. boffs and not enough eng slots, Main reason i switched to the andorian eng version was due ot the boff layout of my HEC.

Its just not a great ship for beams is what most of us are saying. Beams have there place just hec is not a very good place for them.

Beams can be very effective on the large carriers alowing you to stay at long range 8k+ out and keep dps from broad sides while the fighters go in. A dread with ultra rare scorp fighters can be a pretty powerful force in estfs.
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# 17
03-29-2013, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by kelshando View Post
mustafatennick

You tell him to use what ever he wants, then say don't use what ever he wants in pvp.

Scripted events still req the dps to get the job done. You are not going to get optionals completed by gimping your dps. Its that simple so when we say you are hurting your dps its true period.

If you are running crap builds as well... well i guess we know who we keep having to carry in estfs...i bet you afk as well.

Its funny how you try to keep him out of PvP and say people will laugh at him... the same argument also applies to pve.
Whoo jac?&ss my build is far from crap and tends to land top of the pile or there abouts I don't afk you cheeky twit they are the bane of this game if you read my other post you will see that!

I never tried to "keep" him out of PVP I just recommended against going into PVP with a sub optimal build which is exactly hat it would be if he used beams unfortunately as due to poor Boff abilities and power drain mechanics beams are an issue in the game and will continue to be

The point I was making was that optionals rarely get done when you Pug because people don't know what there doing

For instance it doesn't matter if you run a jhas brissling with dhc into an estf if the other lot are running oddys with rainbow beams spitting out everywhere which from what I've seen 9 times out of ten happens your doomed to failure unless its ise which can't be lost

I will tell him to use what he wants because every one should have the choice to use whatever weapons they want to use they shouldn't be bound by the Norms and leashes of optimal!

I very rarely PVE anymore because I'm sick of carrying fail builds across the line but people should play to have fun and not be forced into using things they dont want to I was just telling him it can be done just takes more time and effort
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Last edited by mustafatennick; 03-29-2013 at 10:06 AM.
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# 18
03-29-2013, 10:16 AM
Ok moron so you go in and advise him to use a crap build for his ship cause other people use crap builds... ya great logic.

How about instead of running your mouth you try to help people get the most out of there ships so the optionals get done. I have helped many in game respec to more effective builds.

and no you did attack his beam hec as a lol build for pvp...

In the end he will run what he wants but giving advice on the most effective build is better then feeding him a line of crap about you wont do well any how in pve so do what ever but dont pvp with you lol build... talk about being a hypocrite.
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# 19
03-29-2013, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by kelshando View Post
Ok moron so you go in and advise him to use a crap build for his ship cause other people use crap builds... ya great logic.

How about instead of running your mouth you try to help people get the most out of there ships so the optionals get done. I have helped many in game respec to more effective builds.

and no you did attack his beam hec as a lol build for pvp...

In the end he will run what he wants but giving advice on the most effective build is better then feeding him a line of crap about you wont do well any how in pve so do what ever but dont pvp with you lol build... talk about being a hypocrite.
Yeah and so he should dhc beams turrets whatever he finds fun
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Last edited by mustafatennick; 03-29-2013 at 10:33 AM.
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# 20
03-29-2013, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by mustafatennick View Post
Yeah and so he should muppet dhc beams turrets whatever he finds fun he should run as long as he has fun doing it wow people would really do well listening to your propaganda hitler
Grow up.. what are you 13.. no never mind you more act like a 26 year old living with mommy and daddy still.



The op asked for advice. While many of us have explained why certain builds are more effective, why beams are not the best choice for his ship and explained how to get some use out of beams all you are doing is having your little tantrum and insult. Why dont you go troll a different thread.
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