Commander
Join Date: Mar 2013
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# 941
04-04-2013, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by felderburg View Post
Not to mention the fact that there are people that enjoy playing the bad guys. They may not be tpalelena's friends, but they do exist. And I would argue that a true Romulan would see both the Tal Shiar working with the Iconians and D'Tan's Fed-Lite Republic "allying" with the Feds and KDF as two sides of the same coin - a deal with the devil that costs the Romulan people their independent soul.
No true Romulan, huh?
Ensign
Join Date: Oct 2012
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# 942 about Rom tech...
04-05-2013, 01:46 AM
Sry if someone alrdy asked this earlier, but what type cloaking devices Romulan warbirds will have?

As Romulans are developers of the cloak, I really hope BoP battlecloak will be standard for romulan ships. As it would be ridiculous to have romulan warbird backing out from fight just to get cloak up.
Every single time you have had a chance to play romulan ships in trek based games, their tactics cornerstone has been hit and hide, provided by fast cloak and plasma torps.

I really hope D'Deridex will have same shock and awe than b4, appearing in middle of the battle, releasing volley of plasma, then hiding again before enemy even knows what hit him.
Career Officer
Join Date: Apr 2013
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# 943
04-05-2013, 02:00 AM
never thought i would ever write this but it seems some of the staff are being open and honest as possible, i mean you look back a few years and all you saw was vague to the point that looking through glass was like looking through a brick wall with them. +1 to the staff on that, thats gained back some respect.

as for the previous poster, rommie ships are not designed for prolonged combat, their ships have cloaking devices used for aggressive hit and run attacks. when it comes to an assault on a borg tac cube a D'Deridex wouldnt stand a chance and their upgraded warbirds the "Mogai" which is actually a Valdore type, it was crippled with a few disruptor strikes from the Scimitar while the other one lost one of its wings in the process, again due to disruptor hits.

DS9 series during the dominion war showed that the Romulans were no match for dominion tech at all, they just made up the numbers and that was it, at least compared to fed and klingon tech which can stand upto some punishment, even the BOP's.

as for the ability to decloak fire and recloak, that can be abused too easily, there would need to be a cloaking cd.
Ensign
Join Date: Oct 2012
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# 944
04-05-2013, 02:19 AM
Exactly what I tried to say, Rom ships generally are weaker than counterparts of other major powers in galaxy, but they compensate with cloak and other subterfuge tactics. Examples from other trek games and publishers

Starfleet Command Series: Romulan ships were slow, and low HP, but right use of powerful cloak and plasma torps they become deadly.

Armada series: Romulans are generally weaker than other races, but they build up quick, and have secondary weapons that can be used to spy or disable enemy ships when attacking by surprise.

Birth Of the federation: in turn based combat, Romulans get "free starting turn" for all ships that are cloaked, but yet again, HP and weapon power is lower than other races.

So I don't want rommie "super ships", just that they are similar than rommies b4, using extensive cloak tactics to counter their flaws in other areas. As stated, Romulan warbird cannot last long in head to head combat, but with hit and hide with battle cloak, they can survive. Personally I've always liked to play roms with these flaws, as you really need to think, instead of ust blasting head to head with any opponent.
Ensign
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 945
04-05-2013, 04:32 AM
Great job Cryptic. Seriously.

I hope you don't let all the rude idiots get you down.

Tons of work and love went into this.

Well done! Masterful.

-Vree
Commander
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# 946
04-05-2013, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by kingitiikeri View Post
Exactly what I tried to say, Rom ships generally are weaker than counterparts of other major powers in galaxy, but they compensate with cloak and other subterfuge tactics. Examples from other trek games and publishers

Starfleet Command Series: Romulan ships were slow, and low HP, but right use of powerful cloak and plasma torps they become deadly.

Armada series: Romulans are generally weaker than other races, but they build up quick, and have secondary weapons that can be used to spy or disable enemy ships when attacking by surprise.

Birth Of the federation: in turn based combat, Romulans get "free starting turn" for all ships that are cloaked, but yet again, HP and weapon power is lower than other races.

So I don't want rommie "super ships", just that they are similar than rommies b4, using extensive cloak tactics to counter their flaws in other areas. As stated, Romulan warbird cannot last long in head to head combat, but with hit and hide with battle cloak, they can survive. Personally I've always liked to play roms with these flaws, as you really need to think, instead of ust blasting head to head with any opponent.
I don't know... the D'Deridex is supposed to be bigger and more powerful than the Galaxy, but slower, and the quantum singularity power source is supposed to be potentially more powerful than M/AM, but also more unreliable. Or something like that. It seems more like a "cripple them with an alpha strike and then finish them quickly" to me... sort of like a Rogue in WoW. Strong with an opener, not good in prolonged engagements.

Then again I really hope to get to do the viral matrix/tractor beam/high yield plasma torpedo combo the NPC Warbirds have.

edit: Oh, plus they have to be able to tank, at least some of them. Hide-and-seek doesn't make for good tanking.

Last edited by darkelfofficer; 04-05-2013 at 05:07 AM.
Lt. Commander
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# 947
04-05-2013, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by darkelfofficer View Post
I don't know... the D'Deridex is supposed to be bigger and more powerful than the Galaxy, but slower, and the quantum singularity power source is supposed to be potentially more powerful than M/AM, but also more unreliable. Or something like that.
I'd say the big unreliability problem with using quantum singularities as power sources was that we've been told that they can't be shut down once activated (presumably they can be neutralized somehow, just not in a way that allows it to be restarted) - makes it harder to repair or modify it.
Rihannsu
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# 948
04-05-2013, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by mirrorchaos View Post
never thought i would ever write this but it seems some of the staff are being open and honest as possible, i mean you look back a few years and all you saw was vague to the point that looking through glass was like looking through a brick wall with them. +1 to the staff on that, thats gained back some respect.

as for the previous poster, rommie ships are not designed for prolonged combat, their ships have cloaking devices used for aggressive hit and run attacks. when it comes to an assault on a borg tac cube a D'Deridex wouldnt stand a chance and their upgraded warbirds the "Mogai" which is actually a Valdore type, it was crippled with a few disruptor strikes from the Scimitar while the other one lost one of its wings in the process, again due to disruptor hits.

DS9 series during the dominion war showed that the Romulans were no match for dominion tech at all, they just made up the numbers and that was it, at least compared to fed and klingon tech which can stand upto some punishment, even the BOP's.

as for the ability to decloak fire and recloak, that can be abused too easily, there would need to be a cloaking cd.
First of all what vessel in Alpha/Beta Quadrants stands a chance against a Borg Tac Cube?-Hello wolf 359 and First Contact-Not the most balanced way to give an example of the D'Deridex Warbird in combat

The D'deridex Warbird does not get a proper showing in the series -IN DS9 we get a one sided battle of 20 Tal Shiar Warbirds and Cardassian Keldons against 150 Jem Hadar Fighters and we get get shots of static warbirds exploding in this ambush.

In the final battles -again we see warbirds here and there -we get the typical Romulans take the hit and their flagship is mentioned as lost. I saw nothing in the show that said D'Deridex was fragile compared to fed/Klingon designs

None of this is good as a reflection of the Warbirds Power

Even in print we get only a few measurements to work with:

Only in STTNG Tech Manual we get a power measurement of a "phaser pulse" of 20 Gigawatts from a Warbird compared the Galaxy's 12 type X emitters rated at 5.1 Megawatts each (In one array i.e. Upper dorsal) or the Klingon B'rels Primary disruptor cannon rated at max of 35.78 Megawatts (Klingon BOP OWM)

Here clealy The Warbird has got massive power for its weapons but the whole "canon" thing kills this.

I would argue the Romulans would not develop a vessel based on such a powerful power source on a weak frame and designed for nothing for hit and runs and given how warbirds are used by the various commanders on the show -they were confident to take on a galaxy class head on.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2012
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# 949
04-05-2013, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by kingitiikeri View Post
Exactly what I tried to say, Rom ships generally are weaker than counterparts of other major powers in galaxy, but they compensate with cloak and other subterfuge tactics. Examples from other trek games and publishers

Starfleet Command Series: Romulan ships were slow, and low HP, but right use of powerful cloak and plasma torps they become deadly.
Here's the thing. Romulans aren't going to be unique with their traditional plasma torpedo weapon. Everyone has access to everything in this game and Plasma torps are awful alpha strike weapons in this particular game. (Really Cryptic, which show/movie/previous game ever gave you the idea to convert a feared one hit kill weapon into a DOT)

Instead, their advantages have to come from Cloak specific abilities. Something to consider is that Klingons alreday have full access to Romulan Boffs and consoles via reputation system and use them for their BOPs. Cryptic has mentioned the singularity core a few times. I would venture that aside from visuals, that core will be the only thing really unique to Romulans.

Off topic but don't Romulans use disruptors as energy weapons? Any geeks know the difference between Romulan and Klingon disruptors besides beam vs. cannons?
Commander
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# 950
04-05-2013, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by alopen View Post
Off topic but don't Romulans use disruptors as energy weapons? Any geeks know the difference between Romulan and Klingon disruptors besides beam vs. cannons?
I kind of hate that I can answer this, but in Generations when they're searching the station that had been attacked, Worf names off some disruptor type as having been used in the attack, and Riker says something like "Great, that narrows it down to Romulan, Breen, or Klingon."

So there is no difference.
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