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# 21
03-31-2013, 10:24 AM
I'm also a tac flying a fleet patrol escort, I wouldn't mind having a subnucleonic beam. Please cryptic?
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# 22
03-31-2013, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ursusmorologus View Post
There are lots of consoles that require sci or AUX power. Do what I do when I look at those on my Eng, realize I cant have all the toys and move on
Why do people fail to realize the unfairness involved with singling one ship out of a weapon that can be proficiently used by ANY other ship?
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# 23
03-31-2013, 01:15 PM
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I'm also a tac flying a fleet patrol escort, I wouldn't mind having a subnucleonic beam. Please cryptic?
This has nothing to do with Class specific abilities, this is a ship weapon, not a class ability and yes the two things are very different, and if you cant see that, then I dont know how to explain it to you. This just brings me back to an earlier comment where the Kinetic Cutting Beam is essentially a Torpedo weapon turned into a Kinetic Damage beam, this is not a game breaking weapon so trying to compare it to giving a Tactical Officer the Subnucleonic Beam (which would be a game breaking move) is just stupid and isnt doing anything for you.
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# 24
03-31-2013, 01:21 PM
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Why do people fail to realize the unfairness involved with singling one ship out of a weapon that can be proficiently used by ANY other ship?
It's not "unfair" any more than AUX DHCs are "unfair" to people who dont have any points in AUX
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# 25
03-31-2013, 09:25 PM
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It's not "unfair" any more than AUX DHCs are "unfair" to people who dont have any points in AUX

The Vesta is by design a ship ment to have full power to Auxiliary, its a special thing about the Vesta, name any person(s) who use the Vesta all the time with full power to Weapons. The Kinetic Cutting Beam is another matter entirely, its a weapon that can be used on any ship, its not some exclusive weapon, it is by no means "Special" in anywhere near the same sense as the Vesta's Aux DHCs.

The Vesta's exclusive rights to the Aux DHCs is no excuse to single the ship out of a weapon (The Kinetic Cutting beam that is) that EVERYONE can get and use effectively (except the Vesta). Also the Aux DHCs are there because incase it didnt dawn on you, all of the Vesta's special abilities are Aux power based, without full power to Aux, all of its four specials would have negligible effects.
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# 26
03-31-2013, 09:32 PM
Then the KCB is no more for your ship than DHCs are for the Bortasqu' or Vo'quv. Or would you argue that DHCs should get a firing arc boost on those ships because they can't turn well enough to use them?

The KCB is meant to replace a turret or possibly a Beam Array. If you're running no energy weapons in the back because you don't have any weapon power, then the KCB is not designed to work well with your build.
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# 27
03-31-2013, 10:42 PM
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Then the KCB is no more for your ship than DHCs are for the Bortasqu' or Vo'quv. Or would you argue that DHCs should get a firing arc boost on those ships because they can't turn well enough to use them?

The KCB is meant to replace a turret or possibly a Beam Array. If you're running no energy weapons in the back because you don't have any weapon power, then the KCB is not designed to work well with your build.
Yeah i do have energy weapons on my back, turrets to be exact to help supplement my Vesta's cannons, sure they dont run off Aux power like my Aux DHCs but they still help never the less because despite the fact they will deal weak damage its just the standard approach with Cannon builds.

Secondly about the Bortasqu for example, that is a massive ship with alot of hull strength, if it had better turning or any cannon equiped to it had a wider firing arc, it wouldnt be fair. But we are talking about a general purpose weapon (The Kinetic Cutting Beam) that can be used effectively on any ship that has power to weapons, which unfortunately leaves the only ship that doesnt do that out of luck, the Vesta.
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# 28
03-31-2013, 11:02 PM
The ringer is your Vesta Aux DHCs can't even be equipped by any other ship , so the KCB not working well for the Vesta is not going to be changed.

Adapt.
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# 29
04-01-2013, 12:20 AM
try it with a plasma infused console.. is excellent when kitbashed with a plasma build... FIRE EVERYWHERE!
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# 30
04-01-2013, 12:31 AM
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The ringer is your Vesta Aux DHCs can't even be equipped by any other ship , so the KCB not working well for the Vesta is not going to be changed.

Adapt.
The Aux DHCs cannot be equiped on any other ship because no other ship has Auxiliary Phaser Cannons, this ship in the lore behind it is the only ship that does because its an integrated weapon system built for it. the KCB however is as I have said, something that can be used by any ship but one and that right there is what is wrong. You can equip it to the Vesta but the Vesta wont be making consistant good use of it, not like any other ship in the game. Regardless of what people think the KCB is a general use weapon, if it wasnt ment to be equiped/used on the Vesta, then why is the Vesta one of the ships that can equip it? If its not ment to use it, then it ought to be something the Vesta cant even equip. Fact is, since it can equip it but not make good use of it, then that is in a way a big giant "HAHAHA NOPE" to Vesta pilots.

Every ship can equip it, there for every ship should be able to use it, otherwise it simply is not fair.

Edit: Let me put it this way, I used to hear teachers in school say "Dont eat gum in class unless you have enough to share with everyone" I am going to extend that to say "Dont eat gum in class unless you have enough to share with everyone INCLUDING the guy who can do something you cannot do." in this instance the Vesta is a ship that has the Aux DHCs something no other ship has but other ships still have stuff it doesnt, there for it should not be denied the "Piece of gum" in this case. Because thats all the KCB is really, and by your logic no ship should be able to use it because every ship has something special and unique that sets it apart from another ship.

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