Rihannsu
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# 131
04-03-2013, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by felderburg View Post
Well, Flash's post is probably the best I've seen of saying "We want independent Romulans, and a robust PvP system." I know I would prefer Romulans closer to the show than D'Tan's Fed-Lite Republic (unless their storyline is incredible, I will probably roleplay as a member of the RSE - which DOES exist in STO, separate from the Tal'Shiar (which is why it doesn't make sense that we shouldn't get to choose between it and D'Tan)). Additionally, I don't want any storyline decisions to be made expressly for the purpose of keeping the game as a Fed vs. KDF PvP system. Either open up PvP so it's one big button and two teams are assigned randomly, or take a leap, do some innovation, and add 3-way PvP. Or something - either way, story should drive gameplay, not the other way around.



As for the posts, there's two that I big-time disagree with (4 & 6) and others that are borderline:

#3: Possibly off topic like you said , but I think it could be that this poster think Romulans are being portrayed incorrectly. Then again, the "lol jk" could mean they're neutral. Either way, directly discussing Romulans' portrayal is related to LoR.

#4: Discussing who the Romulans consider enemies (and therefore who they will or will not consider allies) is pretty clearly talking about LoR, and the fact that the Romulans are "allied" with the existing factions.

#6: "I don't mind this new idea" is not a clear positive. Neutral at best. The post goes on to question why a Rom would join the KDF, given the content disparity between Fed and KDF, which, while not a negative, is again, neutral at best (neutral to LoR, negative towards the KDF).

#8: The first sentence could possibly be on topic, but I'm not sure where that poster is going with it, and the main gist is off topic.

#9: This is arguably off-topic, but extending the logic of a Romulan being able to fly their allied faction's Zen ships to being able to wear outfits could be related to LoR. But the poster does go on to extend that logic to being able to wear outfits on every character, regardless of species, so tangentially related at best.


In this one page, it's not too terribly different, but over the course of the whole thread you can see where small differences of opinion like this could cause the whole method of using numbers to see how much "rage" there is to fall apart.


Edit: As a side note, I haven't read too many of the Massively articles about STO, but it seems like a lot of the time that one is released, many people take issue with how it glosses over problems with the game, and is one-sided in favor of it and Cryptic. So I have to wonder about what's going on with these articles that they cause so much controversy.
Well, #3 is vaguely talking about Romulans, but... may or may not be talking about the LoR expansion.

#4, maybe, maybe not

#6 is kinda vague, but I see it as the poster offering a counterpoint to the people posting negatively. Granted even with that in mind, it is weakly positive.

#5 is a great example of why a lot of posts got dumped in "offtopic". Sure it's a rage filled post but.... What is is about?

Oh and it's official, Sela runs the Tal'Shiar....
HAIL HYDRA!

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# 132
04-03-2013, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by drogyn1701 View Post
This happens in every aspect of journalism. People will attack you and attack your credibility if your article doesn't fall in line with their own personal viewpoints. You can have the most objective and fair article in the known universe and you're still going to get criticism.

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I know what you mean. My buddies over at Fox News say the same thing to me everyday.


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# 133
04-03-2013, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by markhawkman View Post
Oh and it's official, Sela runs the Tal'Shiar....
Yeah, that's interesting. Nothing in the Path to 2409 says that, and as I recall Obisek mentions that they are NOT allies. I hope that Sela ends up seeing the error of her ways and throwing off Hakeev and his Iconian allies, but I guess we'll see.

Regardless, there should be a third Romulan option: a new Romulan Star Empire, free from the Tal Shiar's meddling, and free from D'Tan's Fed-Lite Republic and its "allies" the Fed and KDF.
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# 134
04-03-2013, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by markhawkman View Post
Where did you get that weird idea that journalists were ever unbiased? It's ALWAYS been the way it is now....

It impossible to write a truly unbiased article unless you simply don't care about the subject. Journalism isn't really about being unbiased, people try, but the real point of journalism is to discuss a topic.
No. Completely wrong. The point of journalism is to report FACTS. A news report should answer the following questions:

1. Who?
2. What?
3. Where?
4. When?
5. How?

Unfortunately, modern media has foregone any semblance of objectivity in the interest of stumping for their particular side, and that goes for BOTH sides of the political spectrum.
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# 135
04-03-2013, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by darkelfofficer View Post
No. Completely wrong. The point of journalism is to report FACTS. A news report should answer the following questions:

1. Who?
2. What?
3. Where?
4. When?
5. How?

Unfortunately, modern media has foregone any semblance of objectivity in the interest of stumping for their particular side, and that goes for BOTH sides of the political spectrum.
Here's the thing... the 5 Ws do NOT require the person writing the report to be unbiased. You can go over every peice of known data and perfectly capture all of the relevent information, and then toss in your "observations" about the event. Being "free of bias" is largely a marketing gimmick used by news agencies. If you don't beleive me.... go read some WW2 era newspapers. Or.. well.... any decade of your choosing.
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# 136
04-03-2013, 05:47 PM
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No. Completely wrong. The point of journalism is to report FACTS. A news report should answer the following questions:

1. Who?
2. What?
3. Where?
4. When?
5. How?

Unfortunately, modern media has foregone any semblance of objectivity in the interest of stumping for their particular side, and that goes for BOTH sides of the political spectrum.
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Originally Posted by markhawkman View Post
Here's the thing... the 5 Ws do NOT require the person writing the report to be unbiased. You can go over every peice of known data and perfectly capture all of the relevent information, and then toss in your "observations" about the event. Being "free of bias" is largely a marketing gimmick used by news agencies. If you don't beleive me.... go read some WW2 era newspapers. Or.. well.... any decade of your choosing.
Who: The people who stated the thread proved the majority of players hated the game.
What: The Ask Cryptic thread.
When: Saturday March 31st, 2013.
Where: The analysis took place in my office. The thread is on the Cryptic Forum.
Why: Twofold: 1) To analyze the validity the claim that the thread proved a majority of players hated the expansion and; 2) To invalidate the claims that I was refusing to cover the "rage" in the thread.
How: We used simple math, an excel spreadsheet and a neutral third party, read 770 posts and used the excel spreadsheet to determine if the length of the thread had any correlation to the number of people who expressed negative opinions.

Oddly - all those things were covered in the column. I'm still confused as to how that could be missed.
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# 137
04-05-2013, 01:08 PM
Not that journalism standards matter, since terilynns is a commentator, AKA "pundit", not a journalist. Her job is to offer opinion.

She documented all her sources, and divulged the parts that involved her own opinion. She made a good-faith attempt to ensure that such judgments erred on the side of aiding the opposite opinion. She went above and beyond.
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# 138
04-05-2013, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by syberghost View Post
Not that journalism standards matter, since terilynns is a commentator, AKA "pundit", not a journalist. Her job is to offer opinion.

She documented all her sources, and divulged the parts that involved her own opinion. She made a good-faith attempt to ensure that such judgments erred on the side of aiding the opposite opinion. She went above and beyond.
Ah yes, the "I'm not a journalist, I'm a pundit/comedy show/blogger" defense. Who needs journalistic integrity when you can just claim you're not a journalist whenever it suits you?

Meanwhile, tons of people get their news from "The Daily Show".

Nowhere on that page does it claim to be an editorial. Yet at the bottom it does say:

Quote:
Captain's Log is now transmitting direct from Terilynn Shull every Monday, providing news, rumors, and dev interviews about Star Trek Online.
So yes, she damn well is a journalist, or at least claims to be.
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# 139
04-05-2013, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by darkelfofficer View Post
Ah yes, the "I'm not a journalist, I'm a pundit/comedy show/blogger" defense. Who needs journalistic integrity when you can just claim you're not a journalist whenever it suits you?

Meanwhile, tons of people get their news from "The Daily Show".

Nowhere on that page does it claim to be an editorial. Yet at the bottom it does say:



So yes, she damn well is a journalist, or at least claims to be.
Actually, I never have claimed to be a "journalist", I'm a columnist. At the top of every single one of my columns it pretty obviously is tagged as 'opinion' and Massively itself is defined as an "enthusiast blog". You can look it up yourself, by clicking on the "about" tab on our home page.

It's pretty darned nice to be able to write a blog that contains my opinions. It's even better when I get to write a blog in response to players requests that I cover a forum thread.
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# 140
04-06-2013, 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by terilynns View Post
Actually, I never have claimed to be a "journalist", I'm a columnist. At the top of every single one of my columns it pretty obviously is tagged as 'opinion' and Massively itself is defined as an "enthusiast blog". You can look it up yourself, by clicking on the "about" tab on our home page.

It's pretty darned nice to be able to write a blog that contains my opinions. It's even better when I get to write a blog in response to players requests that I cover a forum thread.
And yet your blurb claims to present news and developer interviews. That's called reporting, making you a reporter, which is a synonym for journalist.

But since you don't want to be obligated to follow any sort of journalistic ethics, you hide behind the "I'm not a journalist, I'm a blogger" excuse.

You're a fine example of everything that is wrong with modern media.
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