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# 1 LoR Romulan Ship Designations
03-30-2013, 03:30 AM
While testing out the new UI and the changes in the Romulan Featured Event, I couldn't help but notice the new changes.

The First, Romulan ship death is much funner than it use to be.

The other, is the ship names.


Granted, LoR is still in the Beta Phase and some things are subject to change. However, just in case, I thought I give my feedback.




The D'Deridex is still labeled as "D'Deridex Battlecruiser" (Same on the Holodeck). Shouldn't this be re-labled as the "D'deridex-class Warbird" or "D'deridex Heavy Warbird"? Maybe spice things and go with the other TNG designation of B-type?

The Mogai is now the "Mogai Heavy Warbird". Shouldn't this be "Mogai-class Heavy Warbird"?


Last of the normal enemies spoted were the Romulan BoPs, now called the "T'Liss Light Warbird".


First off, why are the Bird-of-Preys are now called Warbirds, when they are "Birds-of-Prey"?



Why T'Liss?

Long ago, you had Romulan Fighters (not Scorpions) called the T'Liss. And when I go on Memory Alpha (and some fan sites) points that the Romulan Drone / Warbird was called the T'Liss.

Granted, it's not 100% canonical since it never was mentioned on screen (which might change if Enterprise gets that fifth season on Netflix), but the Enterprise Novels (and some fan sites) refer to the Romulan Drone ship as the T'Liss.

So why name the Romulan BoP the T'Liss? Why not use another name? Or you going to call the Drone ship the Raptor (as written on the script) and you were given the okay to use T'Liss?



Just wondering Devs, I mean you guys tend to have a bad habit of using names fans identify with other ships. For example:

The Hermes Star Trek fans identify it as a TOS-Era ship that got the schematics shown in Star Trek 2 and 3. But in STO, it's the name of a Patrol Escort. (Still have no idea why you did it, omage perhaps?)

The VoD'leh (Voodlegh), commonly known as the Future Negh'var in TNG: All Good things. In STO, it's the second skin for the Vo'Quv, instead of an Negh'var variant or skin.

The Toron, canonically seen in as a Klingon Shuttlepod. But in STO it's now a Runabout. (We discussed this on other threads, is it a class name or is it like modern cars and evolved? Like the Honda evolving from a small 2-door to a fairly roomy 4-door?)


My point is, if it has a link to canon that fans identify with, why mess with a good thing? There tons of letters in the Alphabet.

Instead of T'Liss, why not call it the Suvek-class? (Sounds more threatening doesn't it? Than a name that makes you feel like you're in a boat that's listing?) How bout Tal'vak? Or Talok (Maybe he turned out to be a formidable opponent in the Earth-Romulan War?

So many names you could use instead of using something that people already identify with. Just hope you re think the names.

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# 2
03-30-2013, 03:38 AM
Honestly, that older Hermes design is nothing just a few lines on a console.


Its not like they took something that actually was shown like... an Excelsior and made it into a science ship.
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03-30-2013, 01:58 PM
Since my days don't reach back to TOS I can't help you there, but it seems that there may still be a few issues to work out.
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03-30-2013, 02:04 PM
Still acknolwedges it in canon.
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03-30-2013, 03:11 PM
The new Romulan ship explosion has the ship being sucked into its singularity...its pretty awesome.
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03-30-2013, 10:54 PM
I'd imagine they decided to name the BoP's after the T'Liss star system. Maybe the off-screen usage of the name previously didn't come up with CBS.
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03-30-2013, 11:25 PM
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I'd imagine they decided to name the BoP's after the T'Liss star system. Maybe the off-screen usage of the name previously didn't come up with CBS.
They aren't even BoPs they're called Warbirds now. a Warbird is a type of heavy cruiser. A BoP is a light escort/heavy scout ship. I'm not sure why the category and type of ships have been mixed and mashed. Also haven't seen either a Romulan science ship, nor a Romulan scout ship in STO yet.
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03-31-2013, 12:00 AM
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They aren't even BoPs they're called Warbirds now. a Warbird is a type of heavy cruiser. A BoP is a light escort/heavy scout ship. I'm not sure why the category and type of ships have been mixed and mashed. Also haven't seen either a Romulan science ship, nor a Romulan scout ship in STO yet.
i was just reading your post and was agreeing with you until i remembered that they are putting in the old tos bops so thats probably why they did that. just a theory
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03-31-2013, 02:35 AM
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I'd imagine they decided to name the BoP's after the T'Liss star system. Maybe the off-screen usage of the name previously didn't come up with CBS.
Very possible, but doesn't take much for them to use Google.

Only takes a few seconds of research to learn that T'Liss was used the Enterprise Novels, which gave that designation to the Romulan Drone Ships (which were Warbirds).

If Cryptic doesn't do even simple research, Star Trek fans will lose faith.

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They aren't even BoPs they're called Warbirds now. a Warbird is a type of heavy cruiser. A BoP is a light escort/heavy scout ship. I'm not sure why the category and type of ships have been mixed and mashed. Also haven't seen either a Romulan science ship, nor a Romulan scout ship in STO yet.
You know, you bring up a good point. BoPs aren't Warbirds, they are Hit-and-Run starships. (Not quite the agile Klingon Raiders, but sitll Hit-and-Run).

So Cryptic really shouldn't be calling them Warbirds at all.
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03-31-2013, 08:04 AM
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Very possible, but doesn't take much for them to use Google.

Only takes a few seconds of research to learn that T'Liss was used the Enterprise Novels, which gave that designation to the Romulan Drone Ships (which were Warbirds).

If Cryptic doesn't do even simple research, Star Trek fans will lose faith.
Considering that they're even using such an obscure name, it strikes me that they are doing more than "simple" research.
Just inputting the word "T'Liss" into Google yields the Memory Beta page for the T'Liss class Bird-of-Prey, which is apparently the ship type that the Romulan drone ship was based off of. Considering the sparsity of that page in particular, if the STO designers wanted any more information, they'd have to actually parse through the novel. Whether they did or not is unknown, but it's a safe bet they found out as much as they could before asking to use the name.
I don't see the issue in taking the name, which was never even seen or mentioned on-screen mind you, and using it for their own purposes. And considering the time disparity (the drone ship was from Enterprise-era), it could be that this new T'Liss is an updated version of a venerable older starship design.


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You know, you bring up a good point. BoPs aren't Warbirds, they are Hit-and-Run starships. (Not quite the agile Klingon Raiders, but sitll Hit-and-Run).

So Cryptic really shouldn't be calling them Warbirds at all.
Honestly, I have no problem with this development whatsoever, and I think fans that have their ears too close to canon are taking this way too seriously.
Personally, I always found the fact that both the Klingons and the Romulans have starship types called "Bird-of-Prey" somewhat confusing. Yes, I know why that was. That doesn't mean I didn't find it any less ridiculous (Romulan D-7 Battlecruiser anyone?). The fact that Cryptic seems to be taking steps now to address this is refreshing, and it helps cement the uniqueness of the Romulan ships overall.
And consider that now the ships are specifically called "Light Warbirds". Which does imply that these ships are, in fact, light hit-and-run style starships. They just also happen to be Romulan Warbirds.
Let the Klingons keep their "Birds-of-Prey". I'm fine with "Warbirds".
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