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# 201
04-06-2013, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by radaikofromulus View Post
... I've seen the design concept art for some of the proposed Romulan ships and I'm not so thrilled. It's a personal opinion, but the ship aesthetics has a more Reman/Spider-Creaturish feel that isn't really in Romulan fashion. It's the same for the new rep system items. The new guns and turrets look super cool, but there's an organic, spider like quality that isn't really Romulan. I don't know if these new designs are new/JJ trek inspirations or not, but I'm waiting to see what the devs release and hope that some of the new ships keep those iconic Romulan stylings that make the D'Deridex and Valdore class Warbirds the memorable ships that they are.
I agree. I don't like the new designs. Mogai and D'deridex are so slender and elegant, the two new ships in this blog look "heavy" instead. I don't know what was the inspiration, but it doesn't seem like it was any of the ships I mentioned.

Another thing that bothers me is the front part that I would call "head". Unlike the mogai, D'deridex and romulan shuttle/science ship those new warbirds don't have a "beak". This part was very characteristic for romulan ships, instead the Dhelan, has a mantis head, and the Ha?apax looks more like a bat. Worse, the Ha?apax looks like two bats in a mating ritual (I'm not trying to be funny, this really was my first impression).
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# 202
04-06-2013, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by amosov78 View Post
I wasn't actually asking for the ability to fire while cloaked, however wouldn't a number of features of the Scimitar's cloak, accounting for advancements, now be standard amongst Romulan vessels by 2409?
I agree, the Klingons may have been pioneers in combat cloak features, but Romulans were the creators and it's perfecters. When the scimitar debuted, it had a perfect cloak with no technical weaknesses that could fire as well. This was in modern trek, when sensors and what not were far superior to STTUC. Romulans should definitely be getting battle cloaks, with stronger stealth numbers as well.
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# 203
04-06-2013, 10:46 AM
Romulan D'Shara..

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ro...w=1366&bih=643

So much want!! They need to consider this design...
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# 204
04-06-2013, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by twistedvaccine View Post
Romulan D'Shara..

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ro...w=1366&bih=643

So much want!! They need to consider this design...
Very sleek and has a very much modern Romulan feel.
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# 205
04-06-2013, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by f2pdrakron View Post
No, we had ample evidence its the contrary since we never hear about Klingon cloaking devices having problems outside the D12 that had issues.
I'm pretty sure I recall at least one occasion where cloaked Klingon ships entering a system were detected as a matter of course.
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# 206
04-06-2013, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by kwiat007 View Post
I agree. I don't like the new designs. Mogai and D'deridex are so slender and elegant, the two new ships in this blog look "heavy" instead. I don't know what was the inspiration, but it doesn't seem like it was any of the ships I mentioned.

Another thing that bothers me is the front part that I would call "head". Unlike the mogai, D'deridex and romulan shuttle/science ship those new warbirds don't have a "beak". This part was very characteristic for romulan ships, instead the Dhelan, has a mantis head, and the Ha?apax looks more like a bat. Worse, the Ha?apax looks like two bats in a mating ritual (I'm not trying to be funny, this really was my first impression).
Yes, I have basic agreement with you. I don't, however, want to completely discourage the devs since the general design layout gets really close. It just seems like the designer is trying too hard or going for ?ber Rimulan. The Narada and NuTrek styles from the crab/arachnid background aren't classic Romulan designs. They should be simple, sleek and somewhat Art Deco.
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# 207
04-06-2013, 12:06 PM
I hope the Romulans have at least SOME speedy ships of their own. The constant 'slower moving" descriptions are a bit of a downer for me.
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# 208
04-06-2013, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by admiralq1732 View Post
When activision lost the rights to make Trek games should all designs default to CBS? I would think so. Sp thje may yet appear. there was some good designs from Armada 2 and SFC 3
Short answer; No.

The designs Activision made are derivative works, and (provided they meet the criteria to be copyrightable) the copyright belongs to the creator of the derivative work (Activision), not the underlying work (Star Trek and CBS).

Same holds true for STO, the design of the Ha?apax warbird is a derivative work, and the copyright goes to Cryptic/PWE not CBS.

The licence Activision were given, allowed them to use their derivative works in a commercial venture (read, make money from), along with using the Star Trek name/brand. Activision will have either been charged a one-time fee, or more likely, paid royalties to CBS.

Licences generally don't include transfer of ownership or leasing of copyright 'up' to the holder of the underlying work. Underlying works holders rarely 'buy up' derivative works, as it can be costly and their future use may be limited.

When Activision lost the licence, all they lost was the ability to use their derivative works in a commercial way and the use of the Star Trek brand. They still own the copyrights to those works, and could continue developing derivatives (but if they can't profit from them, why would they?)

This is generally how copyright works. Activision/CBS may have had additional agreements in place, but it's highly unlikely CBS hold the copyright to Activisions derivatives. If they did, they could allow Cryptic use of to them.
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# 209
04-06-2013, 02:58 PM
One underlying truth to online or heck gaming in a nut shell

No matter how a games developer tries the majority of the gamers will never be happy

And those who are content will have a gripe about appearances of ships costumes etc etc and etc.

Im content with what we will be getting my gripe is i wish it was a full scale faction not this micro faction.

But other then that i will be happy to atleast be able to play as a romulan and fly romulan ships.
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# 210
04-06-2013, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by syberghost View Post
I'm pretty sure I recall at least one occasion where cloaked Klingon ships entering a system were detected as a matter of course.
Its different subject, there will always be some method to detect the cloak, also you are talking about the DS9 station detecting not ships but emissions or distortions and any Starbase is likely better equipped with sensors that Starships.

Doesnt change the fact only the D12 was mentioned to have a flaw and a flaw that was used to active the cloaking device, the D'deridex traveling over warp 6 cloaked would have a higher risk of being detected, no such issues were every brought about Klingon ships.

Also DS9 detected BOTH the joint Tal'shiar/Obsidian Order fleet and the Klingon Fleet, not as ships but still this shows Romulans didnt had a perfect cloak or had superior cloaks over the Klingons, in fact the Klingon cloaking devices managed to even be lighter that the Romulan ones according to Rom.

This are simply what was mentioned, there is no evidence Romulan cloaking devices are better outside the Scimitar but we also had Chang Bird-of-Prey that did not lead to Klingon ships being able to fire torpedoes under cloak.
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