Ensign
Join Date: Jan 2013
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As we all know, most cruisers and scienceships can not use dual cannons. Our enlightened developer "Gecko" told us the reason for it. These ships should make no damage. But tanking damage is ok? No!

Restrict Resilient Shield Arrays. No ship which high damage can distribute should be able to use this. Either one makes damage and dies fast, or one can tank and makes less damage. Not both at the same time!
Captain
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# 2
04-09-2013, 09:55 AM
I was wondering where our allotment of "nerf escort" threads was hiding for this week...
Commander
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 354
# 3
04-09-2013, 10:07 AM
If resilient shield arrays hadn't lower capacity and regeneration than standard arrays, nor made up the lion's share of set equipment for that matter, then we could have a meaningful discussion on the topic. Or, if dual cannons and DHC's had drawbacks that meaningfully mitigated or balanced their effectiveness. Unfortunately, neither is the case; resilient arrays have counterbalancing factors, and DHC's have none to speak of.

Moreover, in all non-trivial content that 5% absorption won't save you if the big baddie decides your ship is on the menu anyway, if you're in an escort or science vessel.
Captain
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# 4
04-09-2013, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by theodrim View Post
If resilient shield arrays hadn't lower capacity and regeneration than standard arrays, nor made up the lion's share of set equipment for that matter, then we could have a meaningful discussion on the topic.
There are three set Resilient shields, the Maco/Adapted KHG, the Breen and the Jem'Hadar. There are four Covariant set shields, the Aegis, Romulan, Reman and KHG/Adapted Maco. There are two set Regenerative shields, the Borg and the Omega.

Of the Resilient shields, one is very strong (Maco), one is "alright" (Jem'Hadar) and the other is bunk (Breen). That's hardly what I'd call "the lion's share" of set gear.
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# 5
04-09-2013, 10:23 AM
Um...folks are possibly neglecting the one that the OP is most likely talking about.

Elite Fleet Adaptive Resilient Shield Array Mk XII [Cap]x2 [ResA/ResB] [Adapt]
Maal, Klingon, Mogh - Vegar, Orion, Marauder - R'ebel, Romulan, Haakona
Willard the Rat, Reman, F.T'varo - Rave, J.Trill, Kar'Fi - Mysk, Gorn, Varanus
Kopor, Nausicaan, Guramba - Nivuh, Ferasan, B'rel - Venit, Lethean, M.Qin
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# 6
04-09-2013, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by virusdancer View Post
Um...you've neglected the one that the OP is most likely talking about.

Elite Fleet Adaptive Resilient Shield Array Mk XII [Cap]x2 [ResA/ResB] [Adapt]
Which is not a piece of set gear.

Specificity can be annoying, I know.
Captain
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# 7
04-09-2013, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by stirling191 View Post
Which is not a piece of set gear.

Specificity can be annoying, I know.
The OP did not restrict it to set gear. Even the person that you replied to did not explicitly limit the discussion to set gear. They merely raised the point on the number of Res shields in trying to point out how limiting Res shields would be an issue.

Yes, the "lion's share" thing was perhaps melodramatic - but in the end - it would still be a case of saying Escorts could not use the Breen, Jem'Hadar, MACO, AKHG sets. Sure, they could use Aegis, Borg, Omega, AMACO, KHG, Romulan, and Reman...

...but they couldn't use the upcoming Nukara Crystalline Resilient Shield Array.

5 Res sets (AKHG, Breen, Jem, MACO, Nukara)
5 Cov sets (Aegis, AMACO, KHG, Reman, Romulan)
1 Reg set (Borg)
1 Std set (Omega)

Restricting Escorts from using Res shields...can't be a discussion - which is what the guy you replied to was saying. You're trying to correct his "lion's share" thing - while oozing specificity - was pointless. /shrug
Maal, Klingon, Mogh - Vegar, Orion, Marauder - R'ebel, Romulan, Haakona
Willard the Rat, Reman, F.T'varo - Rave, J.Trill, Kar'Fi - Mysk, Gorn, Varanus
Kopor, Nausicaan, Guramba - Nivuh, Ferasan, B'rel - Venit, Lethean, M.Qin
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# 8
04-09-2013, 10:41 AM
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You're trying to correct his "lion's share" thing - while oozing specificity - was pointless. /shrug
Considering the comment I was replying to was explicitly about set gear, and you subsequently swooped in talking about non-set gear, I'd say it was far from pointless.
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# 9
04-09-2013, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by stirling191 View Post
Considering the comment I was replying to was explicitly about set gear, and you subsequently swooped in talking about non-set gear, I'd say it was far from pointless.
I get that typing/talking is what you likely consider one of your strong points - however, I would suggest that you put a little more effort into reading as well...

This is what you quoted:

Quote:
Originally Posted by theodrim View Post
If resilient shield arrays hadn't lower capacity and regeneration than standard arrays, nor made up the lion's share of set equipment for that matter, then we could have a meaningful discussion on the topic.
Even that, you did not read...

Quote:
Originally Posted by theodrim View Post
If resilient shield arrays hadn't lower capacity and regeneration than standard arrays
...see that...

...then...

Quote:
Originally Posted by theodrim View Post
nor made up the lion's share of set equipment for that matter
The part that you focused on...ignoring what was said first. This part...

Quote:
Originally Posted by theodrim View Post
If resilient shield arrays hadn't lower capacity and regeneration than standard arrays
...which obviously, if one had read it - one would see the post was not explicitly about sets.

By the way, their actual post was...

Quote:
Originally Posted by theodrim View Post
If resilient shield arrays hadn't lower capacity and regeneration than standard arrays, nor made up the lion's share of set equipment for that matter, then we could have a meaningful discussion on the topic. Or, if dual cannons and DHC's had drawbacks that meaningfully mitigated or balanced their effectiveness. Unfortunately, neither is the case; resilient arrays have counterbalancing factors, and DHC's have none to speak of.

Moreover, in all non-trivial content that 5% absorption won't save you if the big baddie decides your ship is on the menu anyway, if you're in an escort or science vessel.
Which goes on to suggest that the main point they were making was about the counterbalancing factors of the Res shields.

Opening statement...

Quote:
Originally Posted by theodrim View Post
If resilient shield arrays hadn't lower capacity and regeneration than standard arrays
...reiterated...

Quote:
Originally Posted by theodrim View Post
Or, if dual cannons and DHC's had drawbacks that meaningfully mitigated or balanced their effectiveness. Unfortunately, neither is the case; resilient arrays have counterbalancing factors, and DHC's have none to speak of.
So...hrmm...

Let's see, here's the post again:

Quote:
Originally Posted by theodrim View Post
If resilient shield arrays hadn't lower capacity and regeneration than standard arrays, nor made up the lion's share of set equipment for that matter, then we could have a meaningful discussion on the topic. Or, if dual cannons and DHC's had drawbacks that meaningfully mitigated or balanced their effectiveness. Unfortunately, neither is the case; resilient arrays have counterbalancing factors, and DHC's have none to speak of.

Moreover, in all non-trivial content that 5% absorption won't save you if the big baddie decides your ship is on the menu anyway, if you're in an escort or science vessel.
The part you read and replied to is in red.

Who swooped in with what?
Maal, Klingon, Mogh - Vegar, Orion, Marauder - R'ebel, Romulan, Haakona
Willard the Rat, Reman, F.T'varo - Rave, J.Trill, Kar'Fi - Mysk, Gorn, Varanus
Kopor, Nausicaan, Guramba - Nivuh, Ferasan, B'rel - Venit, Lethean, M.Qin
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# 10
04-09-2013, 11:46 AM
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I would suggest that you put a little more effort into reading as well
Everyone here is bad at reading comprehension. There's an entire thread discussing Armor console possibilities with Geko's own feedback in it. The OP didn't really read that thread, and thus this one with mangled discussion of what Geko actually said, was born.

So I think we all should just step away from this already pointless thread and go continue the discussion in the proper thread?
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